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#1 User is offline   rosetree 

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  Posted 16 September 2018 - 12:20 PM

I figure if somebody can tell me more about my guitar, it would be someone in this forum.
A number of years ago I bought my Gibson Les Paul Classic in a local used guitar shop (now closed).
It was one of the only LPs they had that I could afford.
I haven't played it much but I opened the case the other day and started reading bout this particular model.
Some questions.

The serial number is 1 3074
There is a space between the 1 and the other four numbers.

Does the serial number mean 1991 or 2001?
I searched it and it said it could be either but i keep reading that 01 means 2001 and this means 1991.

question 2

I see that Les Paul Classics generally come with uncovered pickups. Does this automatically mean the previous owner changed out the pickups or did some come from the factory like this.
I could take it to a tech to check out -- and I likely will some day but I thought I'd ask here first.

Thanks in advance to anyone who has answers for me.

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Posted 17 September 2018 - 06:02 AM

1 3074 would definitely indicate a 1991 and yes; as you have previously noted a 2001 would start with 01.

Pickups were always uncovered but some players (myself included) simply put aftermarket covers on for a more traditional appearance. Whether the ones fitted are the originals is impossible to tell from that snap but the originals would have been the very hot 496 / 500 ceramic pairing. Have a look at the solder in the potentiometer cavity. If the wiring to the pots/caps looks untouched then the p'ups might well be the originals which have been covered. If the solder joints look to be post-factory then they might well have been swapped-in/out (the ceramics were not to everyones' tastes).

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Posted 17 September 2018 - 04:47 PM

Excellent reply. Thanks for the information.

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1 3074 would definitely indicate a 1991 and yes; as you have previously noted a 2001 would start with 01.

Pickups were always uncovered but some players (myself included) simply put aftermarket covers on for a more traditional appearance. Whether the ones fitted are the originals is impossible to tell from that snap but the originals would have been the very hot 496 / 500 ceramic pairing. Have a look at the solder in the potentiometer cavity. If the wiring to the pots/caps looks untouched then the p'ups might well be the originals which have been covered. If the solder joints look to be post-factory then they might well have been swapped-in/out (the ceramics were not to everyones' tastes).

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Posted 18 September 2018 - 04:35 AM

Happy to help.

A little bit of the early history of the '1960 Classic' just in case you have not yet read it anywhere and might be interested...

The early '1960 Classic' (1989 - circa 1995) examples are slightly more sought-after than the ones which came after this date. When the 1960 Classic was introduced the Historic Division's (later Custom Shop) 'proper' re-issue instruments were still some years off production (these were finally introduced in 1993). There were some instruments made by Gibson which more closely resembled the original '58 - '60 Sunburst Standards and these are now referred to as 'Pre-Historics' and were almost double the price of the LP Standard of the day. The '1960 Classic' had many features of the Pre-Historics and were priced roughly half-way between the Standard and these Top-of-the-Range offerings. Once the Re-Issues became available, however, it was noted that many players who might be in the market for a Re-Issue were buying the less-expensive 1960 Classic so, starting in around '95, some of the Historically-accurate details were abandoned to put some free-space between the two models in the range. The 1960 Classic was to go through quite a few of these detail changes over the next decade.

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Posted 18 September 2018 - 09:44 AM

Very cool.
Many thanks.

View Postpippy, on 18 September 2018 - 04:35 AM, said:

Happy to help.

A little bit of the early history of the '1960 Classic' just in case you have not yet read it anywhere and might be interested...

The early '1960 Classic' (1989 - circa 1995) examples are slightly more sought-after than the ones which came after this date. When the 1960 Classic was introduced the Historic Division's (later Custom Shop) 'proper' re-issue instruments were still some years off production (these were finally introduced in 1993). There were some instruments made by Gibson which more closely resembled the original '58 - '60 Sunburst Standards and these are now referred to as 'Pre-Historics' and were almost double the price of the LP Standard of the day. The '1960 Classic' had many features of the Pre-Historics and were priced roughly half-way between the Standard and these Top-of-the-Range offerings. Once the Re-Issues became available, however, it was noted that many players who might be in the market for a Re-Issue were buying the less-expensive 1960 Classic so, starting in around '95, some of the Historically-accurate details were abandoned to put some free-space between the two models in the range. The 1960 Classic was to go through quite a few of these detail changes over the next decade.

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Posted 09 January 2019 - 05:12 PM

Update --- here's a shot of the pickup. Not a PAF --- One with the patent number. Begging the question, did somebody swap out pickups with vintage ones that predate the guitar or just one set up 90s Gibson pickups with a different set. Still a bit confused about this.

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