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2018 / 2019 J-45 Differences other than pricing?

#21 User is offline   fortyearspickn 

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 07:24 AM

View PostFZ Fan, on 12 October 2018 - 06:43 AM, said:

Its called greed.


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 09:44 AM

View PostThemisSal, on 12 October 2018 - 12:44 AM, said:

The street price for a J45 or a D18 is pretty close... and both are more affordable than they were decades ago, when you consider metrics like “how many days or weeks earnings” to pay for one.


I wondered about that statement, so I did some quick (unscientific) research. I bought my J-50 new in 1974 and didn't keep any records, but my recollection is that it cost $340. According to this table, that would have been 3% of average median income in 1974. Now the J-50 was the cheapest Gibson I could find (which is why I got it), so if we use the J-45 studio at $1,500 today, that would be 2.5% of average median income in 2016. http://www.multpl.co...e/table/by-year

That works out closer than I would have expected. Regarding Martin however, there's no comparison, you couldn't touch a Martin guitar for that price in 1974. My recollection is that the cheapest one was well over $1000. I had a couple friends with Martins and was very jealous back then. But I got over it. :)
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Posted 12 October 2018 - 09:48 AM

Thank you for all who responded making this an interesting thread. I did notice last year that the prices of the J-45 also fluctuated quite considerably and increased about this time. This has to be purely a marketing ploy with the marketing guys pushing the prices up for next years new model knowing that there will be some people who want a 2019 model rather than an 2018 one. I guess also that they want to get the old 2018 stock out the door before the 2019 models hit the market hence the lower pricing for this years current model.

Earlier this year I made a round trip of over 200 miles to well known UK Gibson retailer and spent a few hours playing a couple of J-45's. At the time these were retailing at £2,300. The guitars I looked at had blemishes. One had a fret that was not dressed properly and was really rough. The other had mineral deposits on the fretboard. I left the store with my money in my pocket thinking I'm only buying at that price if the guitar is perfect. I am glad to report that my new 2018 J-45 arrived yesterday and was perfect in condition with no visible imperfections. Having saved myself over £500 by buying the 2018 model I couldn't be happier. The guitar plays like a dream and sounds fantastic. Having been a player for over 35 years and the owner of many fine guitars (9 in total) I am so pleased to at last be a member of the J-45 owners club.

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 10:52 AM

View Postfortyearspickn, on 12 October 2018 - 07:24 AM, said:

Have you ever bought a new Gibson Acoustic?


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 03:39 PM

View PostBoyd, on 11 October 2018 - 04:40 PM, said:

Somebody posted a link to Gibson's ad for a new CEO earlier. You should apply for the job, I'm sure you could turn the company around quickly with your market insights. ;)


Thank you for the snarky comment, however I am pretty sure I'd do a better job than Henry J. as I never brought a company in Chapter 11.

However the AJ in 1936 sold for $80, a lot of money back then, equivalent to $1500 today but in reality I think it was more as during the Great Depression wages were low even at the net of inflation.

The J35 sold for $35 that were about $700, therefore IMO the same reasoning above applies, IMO a honest price today for these guitars would be in the same range they used to be sold until 2010 or 2011, this politics of linear cost increases for model year to model year just makes Gibson look greedy and damage the business as well as the image of the company. Also according to the dealer I know Gibson's official statement is that every year they increase quality of assembly and woods, thing that I find hard to believe.

View Postfortyearspickn, on 12 October 2018 - 07:24 AM, said:

Have you ever bought a new Gibson Acoustic?


The point is: " Do you think that between 2017 and 2018 the overall quality has increased by 15%"? From the superficial look I have to MY 2018 quality has decreased in comparison to what they made in 2010 and 2011, in particular my SC is the best put together acoustic guitar I have even tried, the neck angle is so perfect that even with very low action the saddle is quite high. Finish is perfect, no glue spots inside, even better than a CS Martin IMO. For my 2011 AJ the same applied.

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