Dave F Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 No affiliation. A little rough. I doubt that by the time you reset the neck and put a new back on it that it would be worth the investment. Marketplace›Musical Instruments 1967 Gibson Hummingbird guitar Owenton, KY · 55 minutes ago · $1,400 Beautiful vintage Gibson Hummingbird guitar. Damage to the back does not effect sound quality. Plays wonderfully! Asking $1400. Comes with gig bag. Less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliasphobias Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 22583 would make it early '60s? I would be interested! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCowboy Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Looks like a lot of potential - a good luthier could do a lot for that back w/o the need to replace it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
62burst Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Cool old guitar. At least the seller states that the added soundport on the back doesn't affect the sound quality. Could be a little pickguard crack in the top by the fretboard extension. What are those four drill marks in the back of the headstock/ headstock break repair area? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EpiSheriMan Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 From the picture 5 she clearly needs neck re-set which will cost you $$$$... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 With the headstock break, busted back, and in need of a neck re-set, it's not worth more than a few hundred dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortyearspickn Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 With the headstock break, busted back, and in need of a neck re-set, it's not worth more than a few hundred dollars. Agree - a candidate for a wall hanger in a Hard Rock Cafe in NYC. Already has tapped places for screwing it to the wall by the headstock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinder Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 At what point does it stop being a classic guitar and start being firewood? That’s way too rough for the money. Needs some major work to the back obviously, plus it’s in dire need of a neck reset and the fact that the neck block has moved and cracked the top (the neck angle is so far off that I don’t think it’s just a pickguard crack) is worrying too. Even with all the work done, it’s worth shy of $2000 in my book, so $1400 plus a potential $800-1000 of work (neck reset, back repair, neck block repair, top repair, refret, bridge replacement with fixed saddle, cosmetic work) is in no way a deal that I’d do. $750 tops, IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 It does look like there is a distortion of the rosette under the fingerboard near the pickguard. The serial number does indicate 1964, by which time a natural top version was available, so I am not sure where the 1967 date comes from. I am not buying the gaping holes do not alter the sound. I have owned guitars with several open back cracks and some with tops starting to separate from the body and there was a noticeable loss in volume compared to what they sounded like after being repaired. Price - as we are looking at a $5500 or so guitar in good condition, I would think $1400 not an unreasonable price if the neck is stable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoSoxBiker Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Just curious - what does a neck reset run for this guitar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Just curious - what does a neck reset run for this guitar? $500-$600 for a neck set where I live. Note also that the bridge appears to be tilted way forward, and it's split across the pins. It may be that the guitar suffered major trauma when the headstock broke, like whatever impact punched the hole in the back. Chances are there is internal damage as well, could be loose or broken braces. It could be a nice project guitar--that's actually a classically-faded early cherryburst, not a natural top, if you look at the photo taken from the side. Where I live, and what I can see, which doesn't include condition of frets and fretboard: remove back and patch or replace, probably brace re-glue----- $600-750 new bridge and bridgeplate--- $450 assume for now that the headstock break is stable, although the three holes in the back of the headstock and the one below the neck break suggest there was a screwed-on reinforcing piece there at some point in the past. re-set neck (note that these are the low-profile fat frets, which do not have a lot of latitude for wear)----$550 additional brace glue and crack repair/reinforcement, say -----$200 minimal cosmetic touch-up as required---- $200 Say your luthier gives you a break because of the size of the job, you're looking at about $2000 in repairs that you can see now. Value? As ZW says, in good condition, with no broken headstock $4-5000, on the best day. Good condition, with properly repaired busted headstock, maybe $3000. Less $2k in obvious repairs, plus 20% repair contingency: max value $600-$750 I personally might pay $500 after inspection, if nothing else shows up, since it's a '64 with a nice top. At best, it will be a decent player, but probably not as good a player as a new vintage-style 'bird. There are too many decent 'birds out there to pay a lot for this one, with its obvious issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 I am glad I do not live were you guys do. I just had two neck resets done and they ran me $350 a pop here. My former repair guy used to hit me up for $300. One of the two guitars had a severely cupped neck (no truss rod) which ran me an additional $140 to have compression frets installed. I have repaired busted headstocks myself but only if the break is clean. If this one has had a previous break it might be wise to add splines if that has not already been done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard McCoy Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Damage to the back does not effect sound quality. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 lol You could probably hold the guitar against your body and then move it away and if you do it quick enough get a wah wah effect though. I used to have fun with that pushing a separating top down with my arm while playing and then quickly letting it pop back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 There is a reborn guitar ahead ▸▸▸▸► ( o}==# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 There is a reborn guitar ahead ▸▸▸▸► ( o}==# Without the headstock break, I would consider it. But there's no way to know how well that fix was done, and a bad fix is a lot worse than no fix. At least with a clean break you know where you're starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
62burst Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 There is a reborn guitar ahead ▸▸▸▸► ( o}==# A noble deed. Not all guitars are in bad enough shape to where a reasonable option would be to go to the laboratory of Dr Frankenstein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliasphobias Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Not the greatest pictures but I don't see evidence of the headstock crack on the front. It may be stable? Neck reset, again hard to say without it in hand. Bridge? Braces? Who knows? A good winter project for the capable person. The pickguard alone would probably fetch $4-500, ceramic saddle $75, hey we're on our way! Edit: P.S. my references show '61 for 22583. Can anyone point me to the dater that has a 5 digit serial as '64? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Edit: P.S. my references show '61 for 22583. Can anyone point me to the dater that has a 5 digit serial as '64? Gibson serial numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted October 28, 2018 Author Share Posted October 28, 2018 2nd year production requires the numbers to be recalculated. HMMM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluesKing777 Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Send it to.... DAVE! BluesKing777. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Not the greatest pictures but I don't see evidence of the headstock crack on the front. It may be stable? Neck reset, again hard to say without it in hand. Bridge? Braces? Who knows? A good winter project for the capable person. The pickguard alone would probably fetch $4-500, ceramic saddle $75, hey we're on our way! Edit: P.S. my references show '61 for 22583. Can anyone point me to the dater that has a 5 digit serial as '64? Cannot be a '61. Unless it is a custom shop guitar, the natural top finish was not available as an option in that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Cannot be a '61. Unless it is a custom shop guitar, the natural top finish was not available as an option in that year. As Nick mentions in post #13 this is a severely faded trad. cherryburst. There probably are tiny evidence of that here and there, fx under the saddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted October 28, 2018 Author Share Posted October 28, 2018 Look at the 3rd photo. Sort of shows the burst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliasphobias Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Gibson serial numbers Thanks for that Nick! I should have said "5 digit 25*** indicates '64". My J50 #235** I have always thought a '61 (1 11/16" nut w/ slim profile neck, tall thin back braces, thinner, early '60s pickguard) without question. I don't know zw, looks like the reluctant cherry 'burst, serial indicates '61, orange label inside, non-faded, "panzer" paint pickquard. I'm leaning '61 while not claiming anyone is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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