uncle fester Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Hi folks, To kick off the holiday here in the US, attached is my effort at a composition trying do a recording with multiple instruments, giving each their own place in the mix (Sheriff Brown). I recorded with Presonus Audiobox 44 interface with Prsounus Studio One SW. Also, attached video is a shameless effort to garner attention, but do believe it's got a level of entertainment to it, hope you enjoy! The song started as just acoustic guitar in Drop D, but I began to add instruments (bass, banjo, elect guit for lead, drums). First pass, not really knowing how to use the FX right ended up being just mud. Doug R gave me great input (and huge thanks to him!) on how to approach the instruments, and manage them within the space of a mix. My Big Rules of Thumb *Pan for L to R placement *Reverb for front to back placement *EQ to give instruments their on 'space?' I know I've got a ways to go, but believe what I've produced has a glimmer of something to it. Rgds - billroy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUhKB4kOL48&feature=youtu.be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfish Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 That is good stuff billroy, sounded good thru my head phones. The video art looks cool, I have a notion you draw quite well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drathbun Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 That's wonderful Bill! I love the video and the audio is wide and clear. Terrific job! [thumbup] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuestionMark Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Quite creative! Like the way you keep musically exploring! QM aka “Jazzman” Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 That’s pure mad Bill 😂😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
62burst Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 'Knew BBG couldn't hold out forever. Yes, someone's dancing a little close to the edge, but some's gotta do what they gotta do. From a mixing point of view- don't know; shock value garnered all the attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 'Knew BBG couldn't hold out forever. Yes, someone's dancing a little close to the edge, but some's gotta do what they gotta do. From a mixing point of view- don't know; shock value garnered all the attention. Aw hey don’t confuse ‘mad’ with dictionary mad ... think ‘mad party’ Cheered me up. And I’m all for anyone letting out whatever’s inside them !! But if you are on medication maybe up the dosage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars68 Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Hey, that was cool, and it was refreshing to listen/see something different. Mix sounded great to me! Lars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle fester Posted November 23, 2018 Author Share Posted November 23, 2018 Lol, thanks all for the views and comments, (and pointers) really appreciate it. BBG, I took 'mad' as a good thing, like I'm 'phat' with a PH. It's 14 deg F (-10 C) out there today, I expect some good guitar playing time today. so in the words of Tpbii... Lets Pick! Phat Bill (aka billroy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoSoxBiker Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Welcome to the addiction, billroy. It's fun stuff. I thought your mix to be quite good for being in the early stage of your journey. Yeah, mine was thick as mud, too, IIRC. PB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle fester Posted November 24, 2018 Author Share Posted November 24, 2018 Welcome to the addiction, billroy. It's fun stuff. I thought your mix to be quite good for being in the early stage of your journey. Yeah, mine was thick as mud, too, IIRC. PB Thanks PB, from your view after listening to this, where would you focus next in the mixing / recording space to help me take another step forward? Loaded question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoSoxBiker Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Thanks PB, from your view after listening to this, where would you focus next in the mixing / recording space to help me take another step forward? Loaded question? Practice, practice and more practice? Sounds like a cop out, but it's really a skill that gets developed just like guitar. Fingers bleeding from playing all afternoon? Work on your latest mix. LOL On to your question. Positive stuff: The song has decent presence to it. It's not difficult to hear. Doug R got you to a pretty good place already for just getting into this hobby/pastime. Anything I suggest could conflict with what he has said and advised. Personally, and this is a taste thing for me, I like to hear my music more than my vocals. I go too far to the extreme, though, but I am working on it. That said, ask youself this. Did various elements come though how you wanted them to come though? Are there some frequencies that are too busy? Too cluttered? Did things pile up at 200Hz and make some instruments sort of cloudy or boxy? One nifty exercise is to not listen to this song for 5 days and then listen. Something will surprise you. If it's a bad surprise, find out what it is and go from there. Do you use reference tracks? PB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drathbun Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Practice, practice and more practice? Sounds like a cop out, but it's really a skill that gets developed just like guitar. Fingers bleeding from playing all afternoon? Work on your latest mix. LOL On to your question. Positive stuff: The song has decent presence to it. It's not difficult to hear. Doug R got you to a pretty good place already for just getting into this hobby/pastime. Anything I suggest could conflict with what he has said and advised. Personally, and this is a taste thing for me, I like to hear my music more than my vocals. I go too far to the extreme, though, but I am working on it. That said, ask youself this. Did various elements come though how you wanted them to come though? Are there some frequencies that are too busy? Too cluttered? Did things pile up at 200Hz and make some instruments sort of cloudy or boxy? One nifty exercise is to not listen to this song for 5 days and then listen. Something will surprise you. If it's a bad surprise, find out what it is and go from there. Do you use reference tracks? PB That's good advice to let it sit for a week and come back to it. My last mix of Hotel California, I was focussing on the bassline because my son had just laid that track down. The more you focus on one aspect of the mix, the more it gets emphasized. When I put it up here, 62burst mentioned it was way forward in the mix, and of course, he's right. I used to pull my vocals back in the mix because I wasn't confident in them and wanted to bury them in guitar or in reverb. However, most casual listeners want to hear the vocal and don't even hear the other instruments specifically. Stepping back and listening with "neutral" ears is one of the most difficult things to do because you are never objective about your own music and voice. It is always subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoSoxBiker Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 That's good advice to let it sit for a week and come back to it. My last mix of Hotel California, I was focussing on the bassline because my son had just laid that track down. The more you focus on one aspect of the mix, the more it gets emphasized. When I put it up here, 62burst mentioned it was way forward in the mix, and of course, he's right. I used to pull my vocals back in the mix because I wasn't confident in them and wanted to bury them in guitar or in reverb. However, most casual listeners want to hear the vocal and don't even hear the other instruments specifically. Stepping back and listening with "neutral" ears is one of the most difficult things to do because you are never objective about your own music and voice. It is always subjective. I've been there. The next day kick-drum booming thing. Oooooops!!! One additional thing on this little side topic is how much one instrument can change from day to day. I think it's unique to each individual, too. eg - I can track an acoustic guitar track and think it sounds too resonant with too little detail. Giving it a listen after a 2 hour break from the studio reveals a much tamer track than I had thought. Unlike an entire mix, it doesn't take me too long to get a fresh enough ear to hear big differences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Reminded me of some of the cowboy songs from flatbaroque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle fester Posted November 25, 2018 Author Share Posted November 25, 2018 Thanks all, some sound advice, will step away for a little bit. Doug also mentioned listening in the car an will do that as well. ...I’ve got to search some of those flat baroque songs, or maybe he’d oblige us with something new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 ha! good stuff Bill! the "illustrations" are a hoot.. LOL'd at "Banjo solo" too frikken funny man... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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