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#41 User is offline   bayoubengal1954 

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Posted 21 January 2019 - 05:58 PM

Very cool, Nick! Congratulations!
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Posted 21 January 2019 - 06:14 PM

 bayoubengal1954, on 21 January 2019 - 05:58 PM, said:

Very cool, Nick! Congratulations!

Glad to know you're still around! Haven't read much from you lately....
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#43 User is offline   bayoubengal1954 

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Posted 21 January 2019 - 06:18 PM

View PostOldCowboy, on 21 January 2019 - 06:14 PM, said:

Glad to know you're still around! Haven't read much from you lately....


Thanks, OC! I've been doing a lot more out of town gigs lately (Mississippi, Alabama and Florida is coming up) plus we are moving into a new place (still in New Orleans), so I've been a little off the grid lately. Good to check back in and see Nick's purchase! Also sorry to hear about OWF.
1974 Martin D-28
"Frankenstein" 1948 Gibson J-50 Body/1938 L-00 Neck
1945 Epiphone Triumph Archtop
2008 Martin 000-18 Norman Blake
2013 Martin 00-DB Jeff Tweedy
2010 Larrivee Forum IV (00 All Mahogany 12 Fretter))
1972 Guild Killdeer F112-6 Part Deux (Name Created by adorshki on LTG)
2016 Halcyon NL-00 Lutz/Walnut
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Posted 21 January 2019 - 08:49 PM

View Posttpbiii, on 20 January 2019 - 11:10 AM, said:

We have no Gibson slopes from around 1950. We do have several from 1943-1945 and a couple (52 J-45 and 54 SJ) from the early 50s. Also, one of our banners is a 1943 SJ -- baseball bat neck and all.
I'd love to see a picture of the braces on all three of your guitars. Here are some for reference.
1943 J-45
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All the best,
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Tom,
I took a picture of the J45 Legend which supposingly was a copy of Eldon's '42.No scallops.
Their PR for this guitar stated

After a long search, a mint, 1942 Gibson J-45acoustic guitar was located. Owned by renowned acoustic guitar expert andauthor Eldon Whitford, the guitar was perfect. It was historically significant,as 1942 was the first year of production for the J-45 guitar. The fact that theJ-45 is the number one selling acoustic guitar in Gibson's history didn't hurteither.

Mr. Whitford was kind enough to loan theguitar to Gibson for a painstakingly thorough examination. The guitar wentthrough both X-ray and CAT scans to accurately determine the bracing patternsand wood thickness. The glue and finish were chemically analyzed. To make along story short, Gibson learned everything about that guitar.

The result? The Gibson Legend Series 1942J-45 Acoustic Guitar Let's start with the body of the J-45 reissue guitar. TheGibson round shoulder body shape is believed by many players to be the bestsounding Gibson acoustic guitar ever made. The gently rounded upper bout keepsthe highs clean and precise, while the deep lower bout ensures that famousGibson bottom end. The body is constructed of solid, premium grade Honduranmahogany. The top is solid Adirondack spruce. Both the top and back are gentlyradiused to provide tension to the wood. This makes the wood vibrate (like atuned drumhead), and as a result, projection and definition are greatlyenhanced. The J-45 guitar's beefy, hand-shaped neck is one piece ofselect premium grade mahogany, set with Gibson's famous double dovetail neckjoint for a lifelong tight fit. Hot hide glue is used in the construction, notsynthetic glue like many of today's guitars. Hide glue is organic and thinner.It makes for a better wood-to-wood construction, without a thick layer ofadhesive to impede the guitar's vibration The top bracing is exactly like theoriginal, all carved and shaped by hand, even with the tooling marks stillpresent, just as in 1942. The lightweight, wide "X" bracing ensures aguitar top that vibrates easily and sound that sustains The reissue J-45guitar's fingerboard is rare Madagascar rosewood, graced with vintage stylefrets, .082" wide by .093" high. The fingerboard also hasmother-of-pearl dot inlays, again, just like the original. The bridge isMadagascar rosewood, too. Both the nut and saddle are bone to maximize stringvibration transfer The gorgeous Vintage Sunburst color is finished off withvintage style McFadden nitrocellulose lacquer. McFadden lacquer is thethinnest, and lightest lacquer used by Gibson, and it matches the originalextremely closely.




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#45 User is offline   j45nick 

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Posted 21 January 2019 - 08:58 PM

View PostDave F, on 21 January 2019 - 08:49 PM, said:

Tom,
I took a picture of the J45 Legend which supposingly was a copy of Eldon's '42. No scallops.


Dave, you need to take photos that show the entire length of the tone bars, from the intersection with the x-brace all the way out to the kerfing. It looks to me like there is subtle scalloping, but it's hard to say for sure without seeing the entire tone bar.
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Posted 21 January 2019 - 10:16 PM

View PostDave F, on 21 January 2019 - 08:49 PM, said:

Tom,
I took a picture of the J45 Legend which supposingly was a copy of Eldon's '42. No scallops.
Their PR for this guitar stated

After a long search, a mint, 1942 Gibson J-45 acoustic guitar was located. Owned by renowned acoustic guitar expert and author Eldon Whitford, the guitar was perfect. It was historically significant, as 1942 was the first year of production for the J-45 guitar. The fact that the J-45 is the number one selling acoustic guitar in Gibson's history didn't hurt either. Mr. Whitford was kind enough to loan the guitar to Gibson for a painstakingly thorough examination. The guitar went through both X-ray and CAT scans to accurately determine the bracing patterns and wood thickness. The glue and finish were chemically analyzed. To make a long story short, Gibson learned everything about that guitar. The result? The Gibson Legend Series 1942 J-45 Acoustic Guitar.<br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: montserratlight, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: montserratlight, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Let's start with the body of the J-45 reissue guitar. The Gibson round shoulder body shape is believed by many players to be the best sounding Gibson acoustic guitar ever made. The gently rounded upper bout keeps the highs clean and precise, while the deep lower bout ensures that famous Gibson bottom end. The body is constructed of solid, premium grade Honduran mahogany. The top is solid Adirondack spruce. Both the top and back are gently radiused to provide tension to the wood. This makes the wood vibrate (like a tuned drumhead), and as a result, projection and definition are greatly enhanced. <br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: montserratlight, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: montserratlight, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">The J-45 guitar's beefy, hand-shaped neck is one piece of select premium grade mahogany, set with Gibson's famous double dovetail neck joint for a lifelong tight fit. Hot hide glue is used in the construction, not synthetic glue like many of today's guitars. Hide glue is organic and thinner. It makes for a better wood-to-wood construction, without a thick layer of adhesive to impede the guitar's vibration.<br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: montserratlight, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: montserratlight, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">The top bracing is exactly like the original, all carved and shaped by hand, even with the tooling marks still present, just as in 1942. The lightweight, wide "X" bracing ensures a guitar top that vibrates easily and sound that sustains.<br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: montserratlight, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: montserratlight, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">The reissue J-45 guitar's fingerboard is rare Madagascar rosewood, graced with vintage style frets, .082" wide by .093" high. The fingerboard also has mother-of-pearl dot inlays, again, just like the original. The bridge is Madagascar rosewood, too. Both the nut and saddle are bone to maximize string vibration transfer.<br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: montserratlight, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: montserratlight, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">The gorgeous Vintage Sunburst color is finished off with vintage style McFadden nitrocellulose lacquer. McFadden lacquer is the thinnest, and lightest lacquer used by Gibson, and it matches the original extremely closely. <br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: montserratlight, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">



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Wow, I have seen a bunch of early banners and I have never seen anything like that. Banners did not ship in significant numbers until 1943 (early). The first J-45s had no banner and had mocking pickguards. Many people thought the fire stripe pickguards we earliest because they were common in the 30s, but they did not appear om J-45s until a bit later (for a short while). With Gibson, never say never.
One red flag -- the very first J-45s did not have particularly beefy necks. Many people mistook the beefy necked, no truss rod, fire stripe J-45s to be 1942, but they actually were a bit later.
Best,
-Tom

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