[Blackie]

doh......ok tripple signature

[ledzep59]

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It's been said before on here...can't remember by who....but the Les Paul is technically a signature model...hell the his signature is on the head stock!

Very true...

[jlb32]

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May be something to it, I dunno.
I'm of the completely unscientific opinion that Hetfield/Hammet would sell a boatload of Epi's.
Gibsons? Not so much.
The price would be a barrier.


Of course, Zakk sells a boatload of Gibsons and Epiphonies.
Maybe even as many as the Chinese counterfeiters....

Hetfield would sell a ton of Gibsons if Gibson kept them around the $3500-$4000 range. There is no doubt about that IMO. If there were Epiphone models also they would sell big too.

Zakk Wylde is nothing compared to Hetfields popularity. Zakk may be 5% as popular as Hetfield. Hetfield even dwarfs Slash as far as popularity goes. It's not even a contest.

If Gibson got Hetfield it would be their biggest hard rock/metal signature guitar by a HUGE margin.

I don't think Gibson realizes the popularity of him and Metallica as I doubt many here do that are not into hard rock/metal.

Hetfield and Hammett pretty much are what made ESP when most had never really heard of them before.

I also don't think most here realize how many Gibsons Hetfield has. Everyone knows he plays ESP's but he has just as many, if not more, Gibson guitars. His ESP's are given to him for free and he buys his Gibsons plus he has stated many times that having a Gibson Signature guitar is a dream of his.


The only thing is that Gibson can't expect him to only play Gibsons. He endorses ESP's but that's not all he plays. If that is a issue with Gibson then it would never work and IMO would be stupid for Gibson to even think that.

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I am a hard core fan, just not a fan of over priced guitars that are already in production but because a decal is applied its now a "Signature Mdl". I am also down on the JP, JB, and other models majority of their guitars are normal guitars but because a famous guitar player has this guitar all guitar mfg's do these artist issues.

I can agree with that but some signature guitars are pretty awesome. I agree just buying regular models and having them as your own is a good thing over a guitar that has a jacked up price just because someone else's name on it. Having a signature guitar or 2 that are decently priced isn't bad though IMO. I'd just would never play them at a gig.

[jlb32]

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well it would require gibson to keep the price within reason, at least for gibson. i dont think people would pay $6000 for JH LP, but if they charged $2-3k like ESP does....cha-ching.

but thats the thing, ESP builds guitars that are as good or better than gibson for less.

I agree but I think Gibson would have to keep them around $3500 or so at the most. At that price they would sell big. You get to $5K or $6K then that really limits any guitar sales no matter what guitar it is.

ESP's new Metallica sigs of late are not $2K-$3K anymore. The last 2 Kirk Hammett ESP sigs. have been $10K retail and the Hetfield Iron Cross clone ESP just did has a $10K retail price also.

ESP does build very good guitars but I love my Gibsons also. I just think a Gibson Signature guitar for Hetfield would be killer. It's what Gibson needs to make money and what Hetfield has always wanted. James has did about all he can do with ESP signature guitars IMO. ESP can't do the explorer shape James loves, they can't do the V's James loves and they can't do the TRUE Les Paul shape.

[dem00n]

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Hetfield would sell a ton of Gibsons if Gibson kept them around the $3500-$4000 range. There is no doubt about that IMO. If there were Epiphone models also they would sell big too.

Zakk Wylde is nothing compared to Hetfields popularity. Zakk may be 5% as popular as Hetfield. Hetfield even dwarfs Slash as far as popularity goes. It's not even a contest.

If Gibson got Hetfield it would be their biggest hard rock/metal signature guitar by a HUGE margin.

I don't think Gibson realizes the popularity of him and Metallica as I doubt many here do that are not into hard rock/metal.

Hetfield and Hammett pretty much are what made ESP when most had never really heard of them before.

I also don't think most here realize how many Gibsons Hetfield has. Everyone knows he plays ESP's but he has just as many, if not more, Gibson guitars. His ESP's are given to him for free and he buys his Gibsons plus he has stated many times that having a Gibson Signature guitar is a dream of his.


The only thing is that Gibson can't expect him to only play Gibsons. He endorses ESP's but that's not all he plays. If that is a issue with Gibson then it would never work and IMO would be stupid for Gibson to even think that.



I can agree with that but some signature guitars are pretty awesome. I agree just buying regular models and having them as your own is a good thing over a guitar that has a jacked up price just because someone else's name on it. Having a signature guitar or 2 that are decently priced isn't bad though IMO. I'd just would never play them at a gig.

Hey kids whos james hetfield? "Who?"
Hey kids who slash? "Some famous guitarist."

[DAS44]

I know I'm going to get thrashed for this but.....

I've never heard of James Hetfield

Personally I think only the all time greats and the people who had a tremendous impact on music as a whole (BB King, Les Paul, SRV, Robert Johnson, Clapton etc...) should have signature guitars made not the people who are (among professional guitarists) good.

[retrosurfer1959]

This whole concepts makes me scratch my head there's the side that love's anything signed or authorized and must have it then there's the polar opposite who doesn't get it and doesn't want anything that's signed and even get's angry when gibson releases a model???


Guess I'm squarely in the middle I have several of the signature models but can't imagine anyone really caring that they are signature models even me. So far I own:

Warren Haynes - LP I bought this guitar because I loved it and it's become my number one guitar it's a new guitar that's basically a R8 with a solid body no weight relief, Bone Nut, Strap Locks, BB and a great Burst color and look and a gorgeous plain top. it also has the CAE SOUND unity-gain buffer pre-amp built into the guitar (which is probably the most useful add on electronics made for guitar) The signature part is a signed and autographed COA and a photo of Warren playing which is actually kind of cool since he's the best guitar player alive in my opinion. The serial number also shows it's a signature as it's WH-0XX but I doubt if anyone else even knows it's a signature model.

Second Signature model is a Billy Joe Armstrong model I bought second hand. I wanted a new Junior to play since my 59 is getting to valuable to haul around I wanted a white Jr and I wanted a ebony board on it so the Green Day Model was what I ended up finding. Almost didn't buy it because of the signature which is on the case and combined with a Faux Leopard skin interior not my style but honestly everybody loves it and it get's comments every time I open it.

My third signature model is a Johnny A - don't know if that counts though and even if it does who cares it's great guitar.


So I guess I like the Signature Models - but for the wrong reasons some are just cool guitars. If I found them at the right price I would probably also buy the Joan Jet melody Maker and I love the Dave Grohl 335 in blue looks like a Trinni Lopez model. And after saying all that I'd love to own the custom Shop Bob Marley
and that one I wouldn't play I'd hang it on the wall and look at it so I guess thats as signature model as you can get

[jlb32]

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Hey kids whos james hetfield? "Who?"
Hey kids who slash? "Some famous guitarist."

It's probably the opposite if that question was asked.

Slash was in G 'n' R in the late 80's - early 90's and what has he done since then that people actually listen to?

There was Velvot Revolver for a few years and now that's done for the moment. Slash has rarely even been on the radar for the last 20 years.

Metallica just released a album last year that has sold around 3 million copies and counting.

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Personally I think only the all time greats and the people who had a tremendous impact on music as a whole (BB King, Les Paul, SRV, Robert Johnson, Clapton etc...) should have signature guitars made not the people who are (among professional guitarists) good.

So I guess someone that is in the Rock 'n' Roll Hall Of Fame, has sold over 120 million albums so far and has probably influenced more people in hard rock/metal than anyone else in their generation doesn't count??? I think that's a little more than being "good".

[DAS44]

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So I guess someone that is in the Rock 'n' Roll Hall Of Fame, has sold over 120 million albums so far and has probably influenced more people in hard rock/metal than anyone else in their generation doesn't count??? I think that's a little more than being "good".

did I say he wasnt worthy? no....

I said I didnt know who he was.

only an idiot would make an assumption like that.

learn to read the posts and COMPREHEND what they're saying.

remember I just gave my opinion on who should get it and said that I didnt know who he was..... so think on it for a sec.

[jlb32]

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did I say he wasnt worthy? no....

I said I didnt know who he was.

only an idiot would make an assumption like that.

learn to read the posts and COMPREHEND what they're saying.

remember I just gave my opinion on who should get it and said that I didnt know who he was..... so think on it for a sec.

Did I post anything stating you said he wasn't worthy? My statement was a rhetorical question. How could it be stated towards you directly when you posted you didn't even know who he was?

You said you didn't know him and stated others you thought were worthy so I gave some facts of some of their accomplishments in a rhetorical sense.

Maybe you should take your own recommendations before you jump to conclusions about what my statement was.

[DAS44]

touche

but you made it sound like I said he was a bad guitarist If I may quote "I think that's a little more than being good."

I never said he was bad

[Riffster]

James Hetfield is the best rhythm guitar player that ever was and is, can't touch him.

Add his uncanny ability to write lyrics and lead one of the most influential and successful bands of all times for over 30 years.

Metallica rocked Nashville a week ago, they fücking killed it, they wowed the crowd like I never seen before.

You don't like Metallica cool, I don't like Jazz so I let it be.

A Hetfield signature would outsell many other guitar legends models, I assure you.

If you don't like signature guitars don't buy them. I don't.

[jlb32]

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touche

but you made it sound like I said he was a bad guitarist If I may quote "I think that's a little more than being good."

I never said he was bad

Maybe I should have worded it differently and not in a rhetorical sense but I never thought you would think I was accusing you of saying he was bad or unworthy since you stated you didn't even know him.

Anyway, heres another pretty cool Hetfield Les Paul.

[Riffster]

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Not flamming ya but IMO it would be a really bad business decision of Gibson to even attempt this mdl. James is more known for his ESP guitars.

He played 2 ESPs, his Ken Lawrence Explorer, 3 Gibson Explorers and a Gibson V here in Nashville. Majority Gibson by my Math although not by much.

[jlb32]

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Its for certain your a fan but it takes more than one to do this, the fan base just isn't there. Majority of those who purchase these signature models do it for what the guitar has to offer. Just like Zakkx what would this guitar offer? Emg's and a decal, so what. If I wanted I could get the same out of my studio and emg's but I hate emg's. This guitar would have nothing to offer the playing musician other than bragging rights of; Look at me I spent 3.5k for a guitar with emg's and a decal. But if it is made then it would be more than the custom mdl Gibson can't give away the Zakk mdls right now and only the hard core like the upper end guitars and signature mdls.

Not flamming ya but IMO it would be a really bad business decision of Gibson to even attempt this mdl. James is more known for his ESP guitars.

I see what you are saying but those things can be said about almost all guitars in general.

IMO you can't even compare anything Hetfield with anything Zakk Wylde just because both use EMG's. Zakk just doesn't have the popularity at all IMO. Personally I'm surprised Gibson sells any of those Zakk signatures.

There was a guy selling his take of James's Iron Cross Les Paul on Ebay a month or so ago. He made 3 or 4 of them and they all sold quickly for around $5,000 or more.

Of course it would have to be a guitar that was different enough to be known as Hetfields but I almost guarantee they would sell. If Gibson can sell all of these Slash guitars they have been making recently a Hetfield model would sell probably 3 times faster.

James is known for ESP's but for most he is known for Gibson also.

[DAS44]

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Zakk just doesn't have the popularity at all IMO. Personally I'm surprised Gibson sells any of those Zakk signatures.

tell that to someone who loves him.

it's aother thing thats just so subjective.

you cant think for everyone else (who would buy what).... dont even try to.... just stick to what YOU like.

[jlb32]

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tell that to someone who loves him.

it's aother thing thats just so subjective.

you cant think for everyone else (who would buy what).... dont even try to.... just stick to what YOU like.

What I stated was based on what guitarest posted if you want to read his post.

Of course my statement was exaggerated and of course he has fans but if you are going to compare his fanbase against Hetfields then it's not much of a comparison.

That's why I stated I'm surprised Gibson sells any of those if guitarest thinks a Hetfield model would be a bad business decision yet Gibson continues to sell many Zakk Wylde models.

[jlb32]

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Geez you guys are so sensitive about your hero's. NO one said any thing negative about James, Zakk or any one else.

Chill with this

It's all in fun discussion. I don't have anything against Zakk Wylde or his signature guitar.

[DAS44]

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Geez you guys are so sensitive about your hero's. NO one said any thing negative about James, Zakk or any one else.

Chill with this

neither of them is my hero hell I dont like wylde and I only like one metallica song.

[Riffster]

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Chill with this

Actually I thought you sounded pretty tore up and un-relaxed about signature guitars in general.

If a signature guitar inspires somebody to play better or even play to begin with nothing wrong with that.

Signature guitars DO sell, that is why them make'em, it all comes down to the simplest business equation.

If there is Demand there is offer. Simple as that.