cloudmachine Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Hi There, This is my first post :-) But I've been following this forum for a while. I have the opportunity to buy a Gibson J160 from 1964. This guitar is in very good condition and comes with the original case, but I'm very carefully. The Pick guard is not glued but attached with 4 screws. Is this standard for 1964 models? And if this is not fake, what's the vintage value for this instrument? Here's the link for the pictures:Link to pictures Thanks and greetings from Cloudmachine (the Netherlands) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPDEN Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 That's an iconic year - Lennon's Second model. For a near mint example your looking at between $6k and $8k USD. Sadly, the screws are not correct and likely have damaged the top wood. My guess is the pickguard started to warp and somebody took a horrific shortcut and screwed the guard down. The pickguard was glued on when built. There would have to be a discount on this to get the necessary repairs completed to remedy those screws... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Hi There' date=' This is my first post :-) But I've been following this forum for a while. I have the opportunity to buy a Gibson J160 from 1964. This guitar is in very good condition and comes with the original case, but I'm very carefully. The Pick guard is not glued but attached with 4 screws. Is this standard for 1964 models? And if this is not fake, what's the vintage value for this instrument? Here's the link for the pictures:Link to pictures Thanks and greetings from Cloudmachine (the Netherlands) Hey Cloud. Groeten van Nord Amerika! I think the pickguard may have been a later addition/replacement, as screws affixing the pickguard were not utilized until the later '60s, say 1967 or so. Do you have a serial number on that guitar? Tot ziens, Fred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloudmachine Posted April 21, 2008 Author Share Posted April 21, 2008 Thanks Dennis and Fred (Bedankt!) for the quick reply. I'm waiting for a reply of the current owner. I've asked for a picture of the serial number for verification. I Know this is a valuable guitar and has been a Beatles collectable so I'm pretty excited There is a current bid of 1250 euro (about 2000 $) Let's l wait and see what he's doing. Greetings Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedkul Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 That's a 1968, not a 1964! Clues are: 1. Wrong shaped pickguard. 2. Rosewood bridge (as opposed to the plastic bridges of 1963-1964) 3. Wood saddle (as opposed to the ceramic saddles of 1959-1965) Any of these changes are FAIRLY easily made later BUT the telltale sign is: 4. The crown logo inlay is too low on the headstock (Until 1965, they were between the top and middle tuning posts, 1966 and after are inline with the middle tuning posts). Those knobs are probably not original to the guitar either. By 1968 I believe most of them had black knobs. Still a sweet guitar, and (with a replacement ceramic saddle) will get you that Beatles sound, but that's not a 1964. Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retrorod Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Why not just drop the Vintage Gibson section of the forum....No one uses it ,anyway....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPDEN Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Why not just drop the Vintage Gibson section of the forum....No one uses it ' date='anyway....![/quote'] I use it, but it makes no sense to ignore misplaced posts just becuase they're in the wrong place. If there was a more active group of moderators, posts could be realigned to their proper sections, but as it is, it works for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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