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is MY Black Beauty a fake?

#41 User is offline   GaryM 

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Posted 27 September 2009 - 12:12 AM

That Epi looks genuine to me. Go to the Les Paul Forum and search for "is this Les Paul genuine?" to see pictures and read descriptions of counterfeit guitars.
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Posted 27 September 2009 - 12:16 AM

It's a fake. I'd bet all my guitars on it. I could tell right from the first picture of the headstock.

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Posted 27 September 2009 - 01:34 AM

It's a fake! It's a fake!
*runs around in circles waving hands in the air*
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I have to agree about all the paranoia. I can't believe a counterfeiter would go so far as to emboss the back of the pickups. I mean seriously, why would they bother? By the time someone bought the guitar off the internet, recieved it through the post, and actually took off a pickup and discovered the deception, the seller would be long gone. Why bother? For that matter, why bother putting all that effort in to faking an Epiphone in the first place?B)

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Posted 27 September 2009 - 03:05 AM

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It's a fake! It's a fake!
*runs around in circles waving hands in the air*
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I have to agree about all the paranoia. I can't believe a counterfeiter would go so far as to emboss the back of the pickups. I mean seriously, why would they bother? By the time someone bought the guitar off the internet, recieved it through the post, and actually took off a pickup and discovered the deception, the seller would be long gone. Why bother? For that matter, why bother putting all that effort in to faking an Epiphone in the first place?B)


Because high-end Epis are worth a lot of money. Maybe not in America where guitars are cheap, but in Australia an Epi Black Beauty (a real one) retails for $1600, which is significant enough to be worth faking (and the Australian dollar is about 86 US cents). Fakes of the "budget" Epis don't exist, but LP Standards and Customs are commonly faked and are seen on Oz EBay all the time. Epiphones are not all "budget" guitars, believe me these models are worth the trouble to fake. I've never seen a fake of any other type of Epi though, never seen a fake Casino, Sheraton etc - but fake Epi Les Pauls are common as mud in Australia.

Fakes are usually pieced together from all sorts of crap. Sometimes the pickups ARE the genuine article, and the OPs pickups don't look fake to me. Sometimes other pieces of hardware are the genuine article, like bridges, knobs etc. Most fake Epi LPs do have genuine Grovers for instance. Where you lose out is usually the wood (usually plywood), terrible wiring, and the quality of the workmanship, but this varies from case to case.

It's not paranoia, it's fact. The OPs guitar IS a fake, fakes DO exist and they are plentiful. People's "why would they fake an EPIPHONE?" attitude is probably the exact reason why Epiphone fakes are made and are so profitable. Many people flat-out refuse to believe that this goes on, which makes it a lot easier for the fakes to shift units. A Gibson would come under more scrutiny.

This thread has more information on how to spot a fake, and plenty of pictures of verified fakes, just in case you still don't believe that this happens: http://www.mylespaul...one-thread.html

Of course if people buy from an authorised Epi dealer, they don't need to worry about this sort of thing.

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Posted 27 September 2009 - 07:29 AM

its got epi pups, an epi input jack, grover tuners, legit documentation.... i really do not think this is a fake custom. I dont see how anyone would buy a new guitar from a non authorized dealer. Thats just asking for a slap in the face, especially when paying top dollar. so lean in for me, pal.

if it dont look fake or feel fake-- get over it.

original poster opened up a can of worms here and it coulda been avoided by getting the guitar at a reputable place.

people are way too spooked and its getting annoying. sure they exist, but why not take measures to avoid buying a potentially fake guitar?

if you wanna go cheaper than going price, then accept the fact you may get a fake.

Im srsly sick of this crap. its not up to us to tell you if it is fake or real. avoid the whole ordeal and go to a music shop.

get off your butt, go to a shop, plug in the guitars you are considering and buy one for the authorized dealer's price. Quit being cheap asses.

if a epi is too pricey to where youll buy a new one off fleabay for cheaper, then just buy a damn agile and be happy with that .

you may even be happier with the agile.... and as far as i know they dont get counterfeited.

Man, since when was going to a guitar store such a burden. Especially if you are in the market for a guitar. That should be an exciting trip.

sorry... I just get so sick of these multi paged disputes on a questionable guitar by some poor sap that walked right into it by KNOWINGLY buying sight unseen from shady dealers who pedal their trash for less hoping to attract some timid newbie lookin to save cash.

:::smack::: sorry... ya had it coming!

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 01:50 PM

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This guitar is fake.
Pickboard screw is too close to the edge, EEs on serial number are too big, the "H" in the Epiphone is centered (shouldn't), the tone knobs are not aligned in parallel with the fretboard. In otherwords, texbook fake.
You can always send those pictures to Gibson along with the serial and they will check it up for you. Once I bought a fake black beauty with a legit Les Paul Standard serial - this information was verified by Gibson customer service. That can't be right, can it?

Now, if anyone is in doubt, go talk to Gibson. Their word is final.

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Posted 23 February 2010 - 11:05 AM

:-k I'm afraid it is a fake. I got one from ebay for £200 and its well worth the money. It's a good guitar and after a set up plays well and has the real hardware ie 'Alnico' pups and 'Grover' tuners etc. I guess it depends how much you payed ???.

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Posted 07 March 2010 - 07:20 AM

Hi Everyone,
I have been doing some study and feel that my Les Paul is a fake. I've sent an email to Gibson but don't know how long it will take to get a reply so I figured I'd see what you guys think. I must say if it is fake they have gone to lots of trouble.

I have had the guitar for nearly a year now and I've not been happy with it at all, so I've only really been playing my acoustic guitar as a result. I recently decided to take this guitar to a technician to get "properly" set up. However he said he had lots of trouble getting the action lower and that it would buzz out lots so the action is set high for now.

I said I had a feeling it was a fake, because it didn't sound good and it felt crap to play. If this is genuine then I must say I don't like Les Paul guitars at all and much prefer Fender's however I have a feeling it must be fake because nothing genuine could feel this bad.

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I bought this guitar second hand, off a so called "collector" who said it was brand new. It still had stickers on it when I got it that said Epiphone and it even came with a handbook saying it was an Epiphone instrument. The pickups say Epiphone on the back also.

The body does not look like genuine Mahogany, rather it looks and feel like plywood. Also this instrument feels very very heavy to me.

So what's the verdict?

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Posted 07 March 2010 - 07:37 AM

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The volumn and tone knobs are slanted, and should be straight, bridge has more angle to it than my Custom has.
The Diamond does not extend high enough on the neckstock...

I'm sure more experienced eyes will catch more, just doing a quick compare against mine.

Looks like a "fair to good" knockoff to me.
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Posted 07 March 2010 - 10:03 PM

Yeah I knew it had to be a fake because it was such rubbish to play and it sounds horrible. Its also really really heavy. I bought it second hand thinking I was getting a bargain. Now I know better, I'm going to try and get my money back from the guy who sold it to me.

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Posted 12 March 2010 - 06:23 AM

Hi guys,
i'm next in the line with a couple of images about a second hand Les Paul Special II.
I am a beginner, i have documented it for about 2 weeks and i will eventually be able to test it before buying this second hand from someone. Also i will bring a connaisseur with me when testing it. Until then, please help me know if there are reasons to believe this is a fake.

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Posted 12 March 2010 - 06:55 AM

Why fake a guitar that only costs $100???

Buy from a real brick and mortar dealer. Everyone who bought off Ebay deserves the garbage they wound up with.

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Posted 12 March 2010 - 07:21 AM

Well, I got my Epi Custom off a guy on Ebay, who told me it was brand new.
It was, it still had the saran wrap on the pickguard and those Epiphone protectors
on the pups. Mine had a "I" beginning at the sn and when I queried the sn on
guitardater project, it told me it was made by Saein in Korea....maybe it was and
maybe it wasn't..but I got over it..and modified it to my liking and now it's a half
decent player.
I guess my point is stop worrying about it once you got one and
get on with your life. They will NEVER be worth more than about half of what
you paid for them, so just play them!
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Posted 12 March 2010 - 11:16 AM

I wouldn't buy the time of day, off of flea bay!
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Posted 13 March 2010 - 01:24 AM

I don't know if you are referring at my case or in general about Ebay shoppings. I can buy the above epiphone from a guy in the same town as me, and i will be able to test it and have a more experienced friend test it also. I was courious if the images contain any hints to concluding that it's a fake.
I have read about Epiphones Special II fakes. I agree, why fake a 150$ guitar, but this is a question for the chinese guys that do it.
Thanks again for the support, if i'll ever get an info to share, i will share it back with you.

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Posted 14 March 2010 - 03:29 AM

The Special II is genuine. I've never seen a fake Special II. Because they're budget guitars, they don't get faked at all - not enough money in it.

Fake Epis are exclusively the mid to high end models - usually Les Paul Black Beautys or Les Paul Standard/Customs. All the Les Paul pictures so far in this thread are of fakes.

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Posted 14 March 2010 - 04:56 AM

what year is that guitar?
it has its pros and cons,

im no expert so il jsut put these guesses out there.

why is the control cavity painted black inside?
the screw on the pickguard is HUGE, and to close to the edge.
the EE looks pretty weird, and if its a 2009 model according to other people on the forum it shouldnt be there at all, cus in 2009 they switched the serial no. format to no letters, although i have no idea when in 2009 that was.


anyways im just throwing those out there, like i said im no expert. (:


regards and good luck.

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Posted 14 March 2010 - 05:33 AM

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Hi Everyone,
I have been doing some study and feel that my Les Paul is a fake. I've sent an email to Gibson but don't know how long it will take to get a reply so I figured I'd see what you guys think. I must say if it is fake they have gone to lots of trouble.

I have had the guitar for nearly a year now and I've not been happy with it at all, so I've only really been playing my acoustic guitar as a result. I recently decided to take this guitar to a technician to get "properly" set up. However he said he had lots of trouble getting the action lower and that it would buzz out lots so the action is set high for now.

I said I had a feeling it was a fake, because it didn't sound good and it felt crap to play. If this is genuine then I must say I don't like Les Paul guitars at all and much prefer Fender's however I have a feeling it must be fake because nothing genuine could feel this bad.

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I bought this guitar second hand, off a so called "collector" who said it was brand new. It still had stickers on it when I got it that said Epiphone and it even came with a handbook saying it was an Epiphone instrument. The pickups say Epiphone on the back also.

The body does not look like genuine Mahogany, rather it looks and feel like plywood. Also this instrument feels very very heavy to me.

So what's the verdict?



It's obviously a "genuwhine-fake" Epiphone. [-(
I have pretty much the same thing. But the body is not made of plywood but
a waxy-like mystery wood (white mahogany of some kind) and heavy 10lbs.

The p_ups are stamped Epiphone (in script) like some of those shown above, so unless
the counterfeiters are getting their p_ups from Epiphone and sticking those little
stickers on them, the p_ups appear to be "Epiphone".

The MOT is just that with dried out fingerboard. Over all the workmanship is not bad
and even the tags hanging off mine appeared to be "real".

I'm not impressed with the quality of the sound though and it had a "buzz" for a while
until I replaced an unshielded length of wire from the 3-way to the output jack! If
it was real, I cant believe that Saein (korea) would make them this way because you
would detect the buzzing as soon as you played it.

The other thing that I had to replace is the stupid plastic jack plate and jack that
disintegrated on me. I can't believe an Epiphone guitar would have plastic jack
plates..do any of the "real ones" out there... come with plastic jack plates?

C'mon there Epiphone..if that is the case..what's the cost difference ..1cent?

In conclusion Epiphone (A Gibson brand) has to carry a lot of blame for what is
happening out there and people being duped!
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