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#1 User is offline   gasandmatches 

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 08:51 AM

Just a quick question to verify the origin of a guitar I just bought. It's an Epiphone Casino in Iced Tea Burst. I was told it was from the Terada factory. It has an Orange label inside the guitar with 5 digit serial number, no serial on the back of the headstock. The guitar appears to be at least 15-20 years old because of some corrosion of chrome hardware/yellowing of binding. Looks amazing either way. I've seen a few similar posts on here but nothing really conclusive to model I'm talking about.

Can anyone verify or correct what I've been told by the previous owner?

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 09:39 AM

Hi Sounds like my Casino a 92 Terada model I think Frenchie is the man re Japanese Casino's
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Posted 28 August 2008 - 09:39 AM

I am sure your Hardware will be Nickel and not Chrome
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#4 User is offline   gasandmatches 

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 09:41 AM

shoot. yes. nickel.

don't know what I was thinking. definitely not chrome.

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 09:44 AM

mine is similar to yours. but mine is a fairly darker burst. and more of a teardrop burst shape rather than around the edge of the guitar like yours. I'll post pictures tonight. Mine also doesn't have the "E" logo on the truss rod cover. Though it could easily just be a replacement.

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 09:44 AM

Always like the look of Nickel Hardware after a few years of wear.
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Posted 28 August 2008 - 09:46 AM

I completely agree. looks way better than the shiny brand new stuff.

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 09:51 AM

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Just a quick question to verify the origin of a guitar I just bought. It's an Epiphone Casino in Iced Tea Burst. I was told it was from the Terada factory. It has an Orange label inside the guitar with 5 digit serial number, no serial on the back of the headstock. The guitar appears to be at least 15-20 years old because of some corrosion of chrome hardware/yellowing of binding. Looks amazing either way. I've seen a few similar posts on here but nothing really conclusive to model I'm talking about.

Can anyone verify or correct what I've been told by the previous owner?


Apparantly it depends on the date. If it was made prior to 1987 it would be a Matsumoku, from 1988 they were at Terada.

If you're lucky it's a Matsumoku ;-)

My elitist is from Terada.

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 10:01 AM

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Hi Sounds like my Casino a 92 Terada model I think Frenchie is the man re Japanese Casino's
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If the photo and my monitor are anything to go by, then that's a very nice colour. It looks like the areas outside the f holes are almost orange in colour, fading to a deeper orange/tobacco, whereas my MIC Casino is much more yellow to black. I love both, so....can I have yours to add to my collection ;)
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Posted 28 August 2008 - 12:00 PM

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Apparantly it depends on the date. If it was made prior to 1987 it would be a Matsumoku, from 1988 they were at Terada.

If you're lucky it's a Matsumoku ;-)

My elitist is from Terada.


If he's lucky it's a Terada-made instrument. Terada-made guitars look like the vintage Gibson-made Epiphones with nice attention to details. The Matsumoku-made guitars look like 70's vintage Japanese instruments with crap electronics and fugly looking finishes. The Terada made guitars have a five digit serial number. The first digit is the last digit of the year , the second digit is the model and the last three numbers are production sequence or "batch" numbers so with a serial number of..65883 deciphers to 6=1996 5=Casino and 883 is a batch or production number..if that guitar was a Sheraton its number would be 6 for the year. 4 to indicate that it was a Sheraton and then the batch number. If it were a special or limited edition edition such as a Japanese "1964 Model" the second number would be a 6 or 66883...if you'd like more information visit http://epi.p3net.net/bbs/

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 01:03 PM

Here are some pictures. According to Nelson's information it was made at the Terada plant in 1997.

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 01:24 PM

Verrrrrrry purty!;)

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 02:41 PM

Beautiful! There's not enough tea bursts Casinos out there... this might be the first I've seen actually, the only other Casino bursts I've seen (besides the most common one) tend to be more towards the ones with no black around the border, like modfather's

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Posted 29 August 2008 - 05:02 AM

Niceeeeeeeee looking Guitar Gasandmatches very nice. Mr GVDV yeh course you can where would you like it sent :^o :^o #-o
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Posted 29 August 2008 - 06:11 AM

Yep,that`s a lovely Terada made Casino,very nice.But i must take issue with Nelson about the Matsumoku`s,which one`s does he mean,the 1970-75 bolt neck EA models,or the 76-86 re-issues of which i own three.These have the 16 fret neck joint(like the Kalamazoo`s)unlike the pre-Elitist Terada`s,which have the 17th fret neck join.The truth of the matter is the 76-86 Matsumoku`s and the pre-Elitite/Elitistist`s,are virtually identical.They share the three piece laminated Maple neck,Nickel h/ware,pickups,and as for the electrics,the Matsumoku`s have dust covers on their tapered pot`s,and i don`t have a problem with any of mine.As for the finishes,these did vary throughout the 76-86 production period,some were very Gibson like.infact my 1983 Natural Casino even has the Grey paint on the exposed part of the "F"holes just like on a Gibson ES340.There is no doubt in my mind that the 76-86 Matsumoku`s are up there with the pre-Elitist Terada`s,and better still you get the 16th fret neck join,and that is the heart of a Casino!!

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Posted 29 August 2008 - 08:21 AM

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If he's lucky it's a Terada-made instrument. Terada-made guitars look like the vintage Gibson-made Epiphones with nice attention to details. The Matsumoku-made guitars look like 70's vintage Japanese instruments with crap electronics and fugly looking finishes. The Terada made guitars have a five digit serial number. The first digit is the last digit of the year , the second digit is the model and the last three numbers are production sequence or "batch" numbers so with a serial number of..65883 deciphers to 6=1996 5=Casino and 883 is a batch or production number..if that guitar was a Sheraton its number would be 6 for the year. 4 to indicate that it was a Sheraton and then the batch number. If it were a special or limited edition edition such as a Japanese "1964 Model" the second number would be a 6 or 66883...if you'd like more information visit http://epi.p3net.net/bbs/

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This is a Casino we're talking about, not a dot (meaning, there's no comparing to Gibson - they no longer make ES-330's because as I'm told Casino's are the originals and the ES-330's the copies, ES-330 is NOT vintage compared to the Casino, both were launched in 1958) Also the era is the 80's not the 70's.

I have read a review by a guy who has played on both kinds of Casino (80's Matsumoku and 80's Terada) and he stated clearly the Matsumoku is the better version.

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