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#21 User is offline   bluesguitar65 

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 01:28 PM

View Postcharlie brown, on 03 November 2010 - 12:01 PM, said:

Sorry, Gibson....this looks like a '60's (Bad) Japanese/Asian abomination...(except, I hate to trash Japanese guitars, especially now)![thumbdn]
What ARE you guys thinking/doing, there?! [cursing]
Get you S... together, on the staples, of your line, first! This crap should
be left to people who "special" order, a personal guitar, from the "Custom(?) Shop!"

Why not concentrate, on making what you do best, better...at QC, anyway. The Custom Shop
Les Pauls, SG's, 335's etc. are what the USA line SHOULD look, feel, and sound like! You
just dilute the brand, when you put out inferior, or "silly/novelty" guitars.

Luddite, over & out...10-4

CB

Does Henry Juskiewicz really pay attention to Gibson loyal customers? He had a big hit with the 50s Tribute, so why not go with something like that instead of this $5000 Firebird X guitar? I prdict this guitar will be a flop just like what happened to Fender's VG strat.

Anyone remember the Gibson Hendrix strat tribute that was on the works just last year? Henry Juskiewicz is no Steve Jobs, thats for sure.
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  Posted 03 November 2010 - 03:36 PM

I think the general tone appears to be that this is one ugly looking guitar. The original Firbird may have been a bit different from what Gibson were known for, but every bit of it worked as a complete design. The shape, headstock, colours, whatever - WORKED. As someone else has stated, this looks like one of the early Japanese abominations which were sold in Woolworths for about £8 back in the early 60's - it is hideous!! I have 2 or 3 genuine Gibsons, but I'm even more attached to my many Japanese "copies" from Burny, Greco, Orville (almost Gibson) which are far, far better built than the Gibsons I have owned/played from the same era. If I could afford a 57/58 LP Standard, I'd love one - but I'm not a US dentist/plastic surgeon so I have to do without. I recently bought a Fender 50's Classic Player Strat and it's fabulous - why can't Gibson look to their history and produce something along these lines? Does Firebird X mean 'X' rated? If so they've got it right. Hang on - I think I have a Futurama or Rosetti plank from 1961 - neck like a flagpole, pickups from an old toaster - maybe Gibson will buy the design?

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 06:54 PM

Tbf tho, some awesome tones out of that beast...
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Posted 09 November 2010 - 11:41 PM

Henry has lost his marbles!

The robot electronics...all the other stuff...junk!

Revolutionary guitars like the Les Paul and 335, the 175 and the Johnny A model...

I'd rather play a Hondo!!!!
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Posted 01 December 2010 - 11:59 AM

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 01:38 PM

I think the robot tech is great. It helps you tune your guitar to whatever you want whenever you want with no need for anything else.

I've found that really useful in gigs and in the studio. So a big thank you to the guys at Gibson for that.[thumbup]


Now, the chameleon tech and multi tone pickups, all those fx and bluetooth pedals, I don't really care for them and think they make any guitar too expensive to be a viable option for the working musician (that doesn't play arenas and stadiums in front of 1000000 people 6 times a month).

I would give it a try tho... just to see how it works. A bluetooth pedalboard would be a wonderful thing to have (especially for me, I hate how cables look on the floor! [cursing]) but only if you guys came up with a multiFX system that was not inside the guitar but was a rack or table top package that could be controlled by the bluetooth pedal. the main issue would be batery life, I think you guys can take care of that easily with a little work. [thumbup]

Think about it... if Gibson came out with pedals that didn't need patch cables and multifx units that could be controled from a distance with no need for midi/data/USB cables you would sell millions of them in a short period of time IMO.

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Posted 04 December 2010 - 01:22 PM

It sure seems like there are a lot of naysayers regarding the Firebird X. I think that what Gibson is trying to do is very progressive and innovative, but nobody seems to appreciate it. I think it's even very noble that they aren't falling into the digital "modeling" trend that everone else is doing. Modeling is lame and in 10 years there won't be any new amplifier tones (LOL).

I think that many of the comments regarding the cost are valid, because most of the people who buy guitars are on limited budgets. Hopefully Gibson will perfect their robotic/built-in effect technology and reduce the production costs so that even the average player can buy one. I'm a consulting engineer buisiness owner and I play the lower priced Gibsons. They are by far the best guitars I've ever played.

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 03:40 AM

First the Dusk Tiger now this pile of junk. Don't know what they're smoking in Tennessee but they can keep it...
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Posted 06 December 2010 - 10:12 AM

View Postandtheitch, on 04 December 2010 - 01:22 PM, said:

It sure seems like there are a lot of naysayers regarding the Firebird X. I think that what Gibson is trying to do is very progressive and innovative, but nobody seems to appreciate it. I think it's even very noble that they aren't falling into the digital "modeling" trend that everone else is doing. Modeling is lame and in 10 years there won't be any new amplifier tones (LOL).



If by innovative and progressive, you mean 'resurrect a guitar from the mid 70's, upgrade the guts, slap it into a body shape that isn't quite a firebird, nor is it an RD' you are dead on accurate. Just judging from the massive negative reactions here, I see this as being a glass box guitar. Collector's get it, box it, and put it next to the jonas bros signature model.
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Posted 06 December 2010 - 10:18 PM

View PostZonkers, on 06 December 2010 - 10:12 AM, said:

If by innovative and progressive, you mean 'resurrect a guitar from the mid 70's, upgrade the guts, slap it into a body shape that isn't quite a firebird, nor is it an RD' you are dead on accurate. Just judging from the massive negative reactions here, I see this as being a glass box guitar. Collector's get it, box it, and put it next to the jonas bros signature model.


As far as the guitar goes, I think they missed it on the design, but there are so many stupid designs (from other manufacturers) out here and people keep buying them. I really hate Metal guitars, but that's just me. There sure isn't a shortage of Dimebag guitars out there or Dave Mustaines, so I must be an idiot that I think they're ugly and don't sound as sweet as a Paul. I just think that Gibson is paving new ground with the robotics and on board effects, but until prices come down to within reach of Middle America, it will not take off.

On another related subject it seems that people just aren't civil when it comes to criticism online, especially on Forums like these where they aren't really saying it to someone standing in front of them.

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 08:43 AM

View Postandtheitch, on 06 December 2010 - 10:18 PM, said:

As far as the guitar goes, I think they missed it on the design, but there are so many stupid designs (from other manufacturers) out here and people keep buying them. I really hate Metal guitars, but that's just me. There sure isn't a shortage of Dimebag guitars out there or Dave Mustaines, so I must be an idiot that I think they're ugly and don't sound as sweet as a Paul. I just think that Gibson is paving new ground with the robotics and on board effects, but until prices come down to within reach of Middle America, it will not take off.

On another related subject it seems that people just aren't civil when it comes to criticism online, especially on Forums like these where they aren't really saying it to someone standing in front of them.



Sorry man, my spite and vindictive comments are aimed directly at Gibson's R&D and marketing, not you. To me there is absolutely nothing innovative about it, from the shape to the onboard effects to the headstock to the pickups to the tuners. It's more of a dismantlement talking, thinking what they could have made, how they could have brought Gibson back to the common man, guitarists who are more than hobbyists, but not pro's.
The 50's Tribute was a huge step in that direction. This is not.
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Posted 07 December 2010 - 10:21 PM

View PostZonkers, on 07 December 2010 - 08:43 AM, said:

Sorry man, my spite and vindictive comments are aimed directly at Gibson's R&D and marketing, not you. To me there is absolutely nothing innovative about it, from the shape to the onboard effects to the headstock to the pickups to the tuners. It's more of a dismantlement talking, thinking what they could have made, how they could have brought Gibson back to the common man, guitarists who are more than hobbyists, but not pro's.
The 50's Tribute was a huge step in that direction. This is not.

I didn't mean your comment. Yours was civil with a touch of sarcasm. I'm talking more about all of those critics who don't even try to use some intellect to convey their opinion. Gibson doesn't need that. They need level headed people telling them what they think and why they think it. Your opinion is duly noted. I really like Gibson guitars and I will let them ride this out, especially since it doesn't seem to affect their production of the great guitars they have always made. I do wish they would bring back the Studio 50s Tribute. I want a LP with P90s for some contrast with my LP studios.

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 05:30 AM

THE FIREBIRD X IS GARBAGE AND EVRYTHING THAT GIBSDON DOES NOT STAND FOR.
What is it witht he neww products division????

From 2009 FLOPS like the NEW CENTURY,MENNACE, VEGAS,THOSE CHIC GUITARS, and putting signautre guitar out for guys who barely have made a name for themselves.

FIRE those boys n bring in some new blood.
I GOT AN IDEA FORGET ALL THIS ROBOT CRAP and PUT OUT A NICE UN-CHAMBERED STANDARD FOR 1500.00 LIKE YA USED TO DO and BRING BACK THE CLASSIC FOR 1200.00 THERE ARE MORE MODELS OF LES PAULS THAN ONE CAN FIGURE OUT.

CUT THE CRAP AND GET BACK TO WHAT WORKS

THIS FIRBIRD IS A CORSS BETWEEN A DEAN DIME BAG DARRYL POS, ROBOT, FENDERS ROLAND vg, AND THE OLD RD WITH THE MOOG CRAP
HOW DID THEY WORK OUT FOR YA IN SALES?????

JUST MAKE A NON REVERSE FIREVBIRD WITH P-90 AND MIMI HUMS N LEAVE IT ALONE....
SHEESH YOU GUYS REALLY SCREWED THE POOCH ON THIS ONE.

MY 2 CENTS

BUT FROM A GUY WITH A 65, 66, 69, 76 FIRBIRDS !!!

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 05:47 AM

Maybe it's better to write in English...
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Posted 22 December 2010 - 08:38 PM

View Postmatbard, on 09 December 2010 - 05:47 AM, said:

Maybe it's better to write in English...



Maybe it's better to not yell too [biggrin] I don't get what all the bashing is about... Gibson is still doing unchambered guitars, "normal" no-high-tech guitars, and everything else. Guys who insult and ***** about new guitars with new tech should throw all their amps and electrics into the sea and get an acoustic. :rolleyes: Or maybe start trying to make music with stones of different sizes that do all 12 notes when you hit 'em with a stick LOL

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Posted 22 February 2011 - 08:09 PM

Dear Gibson,
You are not losing market share. All of this bullshyte is u n n e c e s s a r y . As long as you remain American made, your customers will always find the means to purchase. Even if they have to "manually stimulate the dog into sneezing just to give the cat some moisture for sustenance." They (I) will always find ways to make the purchase because Gibson guitars always hold their value right? No? Just ask any beautiful woman in the first row. Grinding, whirling, singing every word, swaying to every chug of the Guitar. Knowing full well every time he stomps his pedal board between songs he is tuning it just for her. Making sure her experience is personal, perfect as it were. And, besides, manually tuning your instrument is hot especially live, (It's all about feel). Manually tuning your instrument and having it stay in tune for long periods of time was always a good thing. Something I would spend money on. Because I knew it was good. Something someone took the care and time and sweat to ensure. Let me help you out here, because , apparently your boardroom has been commandeered by investor types with the penchant for Grey Poupon and a willingness to dilute a F E C K I N G American Standard. This is simple. Gibson tone is second to N O N E!! period.."AMEN!" Keep it that way!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not once have I heard anyone mention "Spirit". Your guitars have "spirit". Because they are built by passionate people for passionate people. They (Gibson Guitars)are individuals that need specific attentions and have a specific attribute/tone/feel. Every guitar is different. It is almost like adopting a child. You discover something magical about it and nurture it. Don't fecking automate it. Do you think if Stradivarius was still alive he would have automated his life's work? I highly doubt it. And, Yes you are right. He wouldn't have. One last thing. Good Karma is hard to find. Don't F*** it up.

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Posted 22 February 2011 - 09:29 PM

View PostThundergod, on 22 December 2010 - 08:38 PM, said:

Maybe it's better to not yell too [biggrin] I don't get what all the bashing is about... Gibson is still doing unchambered guitars, "normal" no-high-tech guitars, and everything else. Guys who insult and ***** about new guitars with new tech should throw all their amps and electrics into the sea and get an acoustic. :rolleyes: Or maybe start trying to make music with stones of different sizes that do all 12 notes when you hit 'em with a stick LOL

Not everybody gets it "thundergod" . Those looking for a personal experience know what they want/need with regards to their instrument. So it is only natural that they fear something new or , perhaps , something that will degrade their current property value (worth). Their choice of guitar completes their tone. Regardless of amplification. I spend my money knowing I am getting it's worth and, I know it is the tone and feel I want. I know I can manually tune my guitar how ever I want and it is part of my/the experience. When you say "Guys who insult and ***** about new guitars with new tech should throw all their amps and electrics into the sea and get an acoustic." Well we , pretty much all , have acoustics my friend. And, I , welcome new electronics. Especially voicing to accommodate my electronic choice of tone. Perhaps you underestimate the musicality of Gibson owners and perhaps you need to still pursue the full true meaning of "what it is" to actually being a Gibson owner/fan.

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Posted 24 December 2011 - 07:04 PM

View Postchrisnorthw, on 29 October 2010 - 03:47 AM, said:

I see much hype on the Gibson Firebird X. Is it just me that wishes Gibson would stop making these novelty items and concentrate fully on building classic instruments with exemplary quality control?



View Postcharlie brown, on 03 November 2010 - 12:01 PM, said:

Sorry, Gibson....this looks like a '60's (Bad) Japanese/Asian abomination...(except, I hate to trash Japanese guitars, especially now)![thumbdn]
What ARE you guys thinking/doing, there?! [cursing]
Get you S... together, on the staples, of your line, first! This crap should
be left to people who "special" order, a personal guitar, from the "Custom(?) Shop!"

Why not concentrate, on making what you do best, better...at QC, anyway. The Custom Shop
Les Pauls, SG's, 335's etc. are what the USA line SHOULD look, feel, and sound like! You
just dilute the brand, when you put out inferior, or "silly/novelty" guitars.

Luddite, over & out...10-4

CB


I think the Firebird X is HIDEOUS. It looks hideous, it sounds hideous, I agree with the above comments. It is everything I don't want in a guitar. Gibson you can do better than this.


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