jonnyg Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Just browsing eBay tonight and I came across this 70's MIJ Casino. It's not the usual bolt on EA250 type but it's very similar to the Korean/Chinese ones. Because it's from Japan I thought it was a fake but I'm not sure. It seems to have a laquer sunburst finish (with checking)/fixed neck etc and it's marked on the back of the neck "Nihon Gibson". I believe Nihon is another form of Nippon. Serial number is 101066. Here's a couple of the pix and there's more here > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Epiphone-Vintage-Blue-label-70-Casino-VS-w-HC-Japan-/110696222408?pt=Guitar&hash=item19c6024ec8 I've never seen or even heard of these. So what do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gypsyseven Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Anyway, WHAT A BEAUTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gypsyseven Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 BTW, here´s another one http://cgi.ebay.de/Vintage-Guitar-Epiphone-Casino-Beatles-Modell-/330573618968?pt=Gitarren&hash=item4cf7b91f18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyg Posted June 7, 2011 Author Share Posted June 7, 2011 No, it's not the same.Look at the neck pictures on eBay and compare. The Nihon one seems to have a three piece maple neck. And the finish on the back is different neither does it have the "Nihon Gibson" label. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinTheHood Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 From what I've gleaned from the internet, Nihon and Nippon have the same meaning and translate to "Japan". Apparently, they use he same characters, but can be pronounced either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkuss Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Probably another "Made in Japan for sale in Japan" Epiphone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinTheHood Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Probably another "Made in Japan for sale in Japan" Epiphone. Could be. I know that at some point spraying nitro cellulose was illegal in Japan, so they used lacquer finishes instead. This info came from researching the Epiphone JDM LQ series guitars from the early 00's, so I dont know how far back it goes. But Japan always seems to get the nicer gits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyg Posted June 7, 2011 Author Share Posted June 7, 2011 Probably another "Made in Japan for sale in Japan" Epiphone. Shame they kept them to themselves then. I mean, I know there are people who love the 70's Epi's like the EA250 but this one is so far above that it's almost unbelievable. I've never even been aware that Epiphone made guitars of that quality in the 70's for any market. I'd be interested to see if Jerry Mac has any thoughts on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrymac Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Shame they kept them to themselves then. I mean, I know there are people who love the 70's Epi's like the EA250 but this one is so far above that it's almost unbelievable. I've never even been aware that Epiphone made guitars of that quality in the 70's for any market. I'd be interested to see if Jerry Mac has any thoughts on this. Do you know if it has a blue label? Prior to the 80s models with the splotchy light brown labels, Matsumoku made Casinos with six digit serial #s and blue labels (1975 - 1980). I believe these were made for the Japanese market, I've never seen one. The brown labels and seven digit #s started sometime in 1980. Beautiful Casino... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianh Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 That thing is too beautiful for words... And yes, it's a Blue Label.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gypsyseven Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 That thing is too beautiful for words... Absolutely! Makes me think of putting back the pickguard on my Casino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mud guy Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Skilled photography helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCarlos Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Nice looking guitar. BTW for JerryMac. What's the story on the cool black and white photo you post on the bottom of the page. Was this a band you were in? 1960's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrymac Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 BTW for JerryMac. What's the story on the cool black and white photo you post on the bottom of the page. Was this a band you were in? 1960's? That was my band when I was in High School, about 1967. That's me on the left with the 12-string that looks like a Rickenbacker (but it's not...). Our name was Subject to Change, which I thought was hysterical. People would ask what our name was, we'd say it's Subject to Change. Well, what's your name today??? Here's the only other photo we know about: Thanks for asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCarlos Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Didn't mean to hijack the thread, but I found it all pretty cool and interesting. That does look like a Ric you are holding, and what's the story on where the picture was take? Is that your manager or probation officer. In fact I am going to start a thread, and since I don't have an old photo, Jerry maybe you could post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyg Posted June 8, 2011 Author Share Posted June 8, 2011 Do you know if it has a blue label? Prior to the 80s models with the splotchy light brown labels, Matsumoku made Casinos with six digit serial #s and blue labels (1975 - 1980). I believe these were made for the Japanese market, I've never seen one. The brown labels and seven digit #s started sometime in 1980. Beautiful Casino... Yes it says it has a blue label (as per Brian H's pic). Thing I don't understand is, if they were making these in the 70's with laquer finishes I wonder why they didn't continue that with the early 80's re-issues. As much as I love my Riviera I could love it a little better with a nice aged laquer finish. They didn't even offer that "classic" sunburst as an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinTheHood Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Yes it says it has a blue label (as per Brian H's pic). Thing I don't understand is, if they were making these in the 70's with laquer finishes I wonder why they didn't continue that with the early 80's re-issues. As much as I love my Riviera I could love it a little better with a nice aged laquer finish. They didn't even offer that "classic" sunburst as an option. Are the early 80's reissues Japanese? I believe that the lacquer finish was purely a Japanese thing (with Epiphone) because of the ban on nitro. But poly is cheaper, harder, cures faster and doesnt yellow as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyg Posted June 8, 2011 Author Share Posted June 8, 2011 Are the early 80's reissues Japanese? I believe that the lacquer finish was purely a Japanese thing (with Epiphone) because of the ban on nitro. But poly is cheaper, harder, cures faster and doesnt yellow as much. I can't speak for 1980 because I don't think England got the Matsumoku fixed neck Epi's until about '82 but 81 - 84 were all Japanese. Four models. Casino, Riviera, Sheraton and Emporer. In '85 some were Japanese but some, I think, were Korean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchie1281734003 Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 The Casino in question is Matsumoku made and without knowing the serial number, I would safely say it is from between 1976-80. The body shape is definitely Matsumoku, the Blue label is pre 1980 as is the three screw TRC. Very nice guitar. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vomer Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 I know there are people who love the 70's Epi's like the EA250 I don't think we've ever had one on the forum though. Not even those who own them . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellercasino Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 well you have now because i bought it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 well you have now because i bought it pics??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellercasino Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 i am still waiting for it to be delivered. its due in anytime now and i cant wait to see her in the wood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 i am still waiting for it to be delivered. its due in anytime now and i cant wait to see her in the wood That's awesome. The waiting part sure is fun ain't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellercasino Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 i saw it and just had to have it. i was actually looking for an elitist but when i saw this it blew me away and for about the same money as a used elitist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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