electricblustudio Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Hello everyone, When I bought my guitar from a shop in boston, I was told it was a 1967 ES-335TD. It has been sitting in the case ever since mostly and recently I decided it was time to sell it. So it's up on ebay now (you can do a search if you want to find a listing), but I just got a message from someone on ebay that my guitar sticker inside the body is from the 70's. Please help me determine the year of my guitar! I want to be honest in my eBay listing. I will include pics here: Thanks SO MUCH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigKahune Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 . My oh my, that's in beautiful condition. Gibson reused some serial numbers in the 60s, so it's a confusing decade. Your serial is either 63 or 67 - so the seller saying it's a 67 is probably correct. The neck inlays and trapeze fit 67. But the label is more like late-60s/early-70s on into the 80s. Someone with knowledge of the inside label formats might be able to confirm which year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electricblustudio Posted July 19, 2011 Author Share Posted July 19, 2011 . My oh my, that's in beautiful condition. Gibson reused some serial numbers in the 60s, so it's a confusing decade. Your serial is either 63 or 67 - so the seller saying it's a 67 is probably correct. The neck inlays and trapeze fit 67. But the label is more like late-60s/early-70s on into the 80s. Someone with knowledge of the inside label formats might be able to confirm which year. Thanks for the compliment on the condition! I agree! I appreciate you getting back so fast. After looking into it, it looks like this label may be from 1969? But it makes sense for this serial to be a 1967... Hmm... Anyone have any other insight? I just don't want to give the ebay buyer the wrong year! I take high pride in how I sell my guitars on eBay. I didn't think to, but I'll add this guitar to the marketplace here sometime by the end of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electricblustudio Posted July 19, 2011 Author Share Posted July 19, 2011 Hello everyone! I found some resources. These should help: http://home.provide.net/~cfh/gibson.html Specifically check out section: http://home.provide.net/~cfh/gibson.html#specs http://home.provide.net/~cfh/gibson4.html#es335 I also just got off the phone with Gibson customer support. A very knowledgeable guy on the other line says he thinks it's a 67 based off the serial number and I just sent him pictures. I'll post an update when he gets back to me. Any more insight would be appreciated! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electricblustudio Posted July 19, 2011 Author Share Posted July 19, 2011 Hello again! That website I posted above points it towards possibly being a 1969. When I bought the guitar, Gibson verified the date to be 1967 over the phone. The serial, the ice tea burst and rare oversized headstock were used in '63 and '67. But, if i remember correctly, it was the flatter neck specifications that pinned it '67. If anyone has any ideas or can confirm the date please do! Thank you so much again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 This guitar is later than 1967. It has several overlapping characteristics that complicate the year. I'll ignore the serial number, as it could be several different years based on that. The "Harlequin" purple/white label did not come in until late 1969 at the earliest. 1967 definitely still had the orange oval "union made" label. I have an unambiguous 1968 ES 335 with the orange "union made" label. Ditto the three-piece neck: generally accepted as 1970, but could be late 1969, as no one knows exactly when that transition was made. No "made in USA" stamp on the back of the headstock ended in 1969 as well. In all likelihood, this is a late 1969 model. Guitars in this period are easer to date by their characteristics than their serial numbers. No one would ever confuse this with a 1963, by the way, unless they know nothing of ES 335 history. Mid 1965 and later ES 335's are a totally different animal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adius Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 This guitar is later than 1967. It has several overlapping characteristics that complicate the year. I'll ignore the serial number, as it could be several different years based on that. The "Harlequin" purple/white label did not come in until late 1969 at the earliest. 1967 definitely still had the orange oval "union made" label. I have an unambiguous 1968 ES 335 with the orange "union made" label. Ditto the three-piece neck: generally accepted as 1970, but could be late 1969, as no one knows exactly when that transition was made. No "made in USA" stamp on the back of the headstock ended in 1969 as well. In all likelihood, this is a late 1969 model. Guitars in this period are easer to date by their characteristics than their serial numbers. No one would ever confuse this with a 1963, by the way, unless they know nothing of ES 335 history. Mid 1965 and later ES 335's are a totally different animal. I agree. I have a '68 and it has the orange label. What is the width of the nut? Can't see it but no volute behind the head stock and it does have a block of wood under the pick ups, correct? By the way, it is a beauty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 I agree. I have a '68 and it has the orange label. What is the width of the nut? Can't see it but no volute behind the head stock and it does have a block of wood under the pick ups, correct? By the way, it is a beauty. Looking at the close-up, I'd say the nut width is no more than 1 9/16" unless that is a gigantic TRC. What exactly do you mean by a "block of wood under the pickups"? Are you talking about the oversized side rout under the bridge pickup for installation of the wiring harness through the centerblock rather than through the f-hole? My '68 has that, but my '59 Historic has the small wire hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adius Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Looking at the close-up, I'd say the nut width is no more than 1 9/16" unless that is a gigantic TRC. What exactly do you mean by a "block of wood under the pickups"? Are you talking about the oversized side rout under the bridge pickup for installation of the wiring harness through the centerblock rather than through the f-hole? My '68 has that, but my '59 Historic has the small wire hole. Yep, I meant center block. That nut puts it in the 67-68-69-70+ range. No volute. I agree that it is likely a '69. They stopped running it under the pups for a while in the early 70's but returned to it later in the decade (I have a '77 with the center block that is also a 1 9/16 inch neck). Again, it's a beauty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Yep, I meant center block. That nut puts it in the 67-68-69-70+ range. No volute. I agree that it is likely a '69. They stopped running it under the pups for a while in the early 70's but returned to it later in the decade (I have a '77 with the center block that is also a 1 9/16 inch neck). Again, it's a beauty. The narrow nut started sometime during 1965, and I believe it continued--apparently with a few undocumented exceptions--until the dot re-issue came out in 1981. I believe the large side cutout in the centerblock started sometime around that same period, when they realized it saved a couple of minutes and there was less risk of scratching the finish on the lower f-hole by installing the harness through the pickup rout, already soldered together. The other thing you have to consider on ES 335s--and all Gibsons, for that matter--is that there are few clear "model year" changes. Transitional year guitars in particular have to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. Even some of the "authoritative" books and websites disagree on when some of the changes took place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adius Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 The narrow nut started sometime during 1965, and I believe it continued--apparently with a few undocumented exceptions--until the dot re-issue came out in 1981. I believe the large side cutout in the centerblock started sometime around that same period, when they realized it saved a couple of minutes and there was less risk of scratching the finish on the lower f-hole by installing the harness through the pickup rout, already soldered together. The other thing you have to consider on ES 335s--and all Gibsons, for that matter--is that there are few clear "model year" changes. Transitional year guitars in particular have to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. Even some of the "authoritative" books and websites disagree on when some of the changes took place. Always wondered why Gibson did that with the center block. Great info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretplay Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I have an ES 330 made in the 'missing years' of the sixty's. It is stamped on the headstock but no label inside. Doe's this date it in anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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