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On Wily's thread the other day about 'Craiglist Thievery of the Week'??, about a Martin 000-18KS, there was a link to a Vintage Guitar mag article about Kenny Sultan that nobody commented on:

http://www.vintagegu...8/kenny-sultan/

 

 

Kenny is a great fingerstyle blues guitarist, and his instruction dvd's and books are really good for moving from set blues picking pieces to a more improvising blues style with influences from Lightnin' Hopkins to many others, and some very good arrangements to move out of the cowboy positions and play some picking up the dusty end of the neck!

On a book/cd I have of his he plays his 1936 Martin 000-18 - it is worth the price of admission to hear his beautiful guitar!

 

http://www.amazon.co...27492686&sr=1-2

http://www.amazon.co...27492686&sr=1-3

 

Here is a Youtube taste of Kenny and his '36:

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=xpeEjufMqFA

 

Enjoy! But beware, these guitars command some serious prices.....

 

 

BluesKing777.

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On Wily's thread the other day about 'Craiglist Thievery of the Week'??, about a Martin 000-18KS, there was a link to a Vintage Guitar mag article about Kenny Sultan that nobody commented on:

http://www.vintagegu...8/kenny-sultan/

 

 

Kenny is a great fingerstyle blues guitarist, and his instruction dvd's and books are really good for moving from set blues picking pieces to a more improvising blues style with influences from Lightnin' Hopkins to many others, and some very good arrangements to move out of the cowboy positions and play some picking up the dusty end of the neck!

On a book/cd I have of his he plays his 1936 Martin 000-18 - it is worth the price of admission to hear his beautiful guitar!

 

http://www.amazon.co...27492686&sr=1-2

http://www.amazon.co...27492686&sr=1-3

 

Here is a Youtube taste of Kenny and his '36:

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=xpeEjufMqFA

 

Enjoy! But beware, these guitars command some serious prices.....

 

 

BluesKing777.

 

very stevie ray vaughnish :-)

good stuff

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On Wily's thread the other day about 'Craiglist Thievery of the Week'??, about a Martin 000-18KS, there was a link to a Vintage Guitar mag article about Kenny Sultan that nobody commented on:

http://www.vintagegu...8/kenny-sultan/

 

 

Kenny is a great fingerstyle blues guitarist, and his instruction dvd's and books are really good for moving from set blues picking pieces to a more improvising blues style with influences from Lightnin' Hopkins to many others, and some very good arrangements to move out of the cowboy positions and play some picking up the dusty end of the neck!

On a book/cd I have of his he plays his 1936 Martin 000-18 - it is worth the price of admission to hear his beautiful guitar!

 

http://www.amazon.co...27492686&sr=1-2

http://www.amazon.co...27492686&sr=1-3

 

Here is a Youtube taste of Kenny and his '36:

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=xpeEjufMqFA

 

Enjoy! But beware, these guitars command some serious prices.....

 

 

BluesKing777.

Big thanks for revisiting this. I saw it and tried to upload but my shitty dial-up took too long. I closed and completely forgot about it. Now I'll grab the info.

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Big thanks for revisiting this. I saw it and tried to upload but my shitty dial-up took too long. I closed and completely forgot about it. Now I'll grab the info.

Yo BK! I hooked myself up with the KS instructional dvd, as I'm more of a flatpicker and figure I'll be able to warm up more to fingerstyle and maybe drop some bad habits I learned from John Prine's 2-finger method. Also, I could use some more help transitioning up the neck from the 'cowboy' chords. Thanks again.

 

Very nice job too on the Clapton cover. Makes me regret selling my LG0 and restores my respect for ladder-bracing. Dave

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You are very spoiled, then! Did he play the vintage 000 as mentioned in the article, or a new one?

 

 

 

BluesKing777.

 

I don't recall seeing him play that sunburst in public - usually natural finished vintage Martins - occasionally an archtop Gibson - or a National...

Being able to see those guys is one thing I truly miss...

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I don't recall seeing him play that sunburst in public - usually natural finished vintage Martins - occasionally an archtop Gibson - or a National...

Being able to see those guys is one thing I truly miss...

 

I read the article again and he said he played newer (replaceable) 000-18s and National live and grabs the old 36 000-18 to record! Makes sense.

How long ago did you use to go see them? My books of his are not new, so does he/they still play about?

 

 

BluesKing777

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Yo BK! I hooked myself up with the KS instructional dvd, as I'm more of a flatpicker and figure I'll be able to warm up more to fingerstyle and maybe drop some bad habits I learned from John Prine's 2-finger method. Also, I could use some more help transitioning up the neck from the 'cowboy' chords. Thanks again.

 

Very nice job too on the Clapton cover. Makes me regret selling my LG0 and restores my respect for ladder-bracing. Dave

 

 

Thanks and you are welcome - though perhaps start with his first earlier fingerstyle books and slowly work forward - the last one is great but really hard!

 

 

 

BluesKing777.

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With their response, its hard not to generate a wash of sound on the high end. KS is one of the few players I'm aware of who can play a Martin hog 000 and keep it clean.

 

 

 

I'm glad you said that 'cos I was starting to gas for a 36! (Still am). I have a 000-15 which is great and should hold the pains off. It also needs less 'damping'. Kenny said in the article that he damps heavily on 2 and 4. I guess that means he lifts his right hand on and off the bridge?

 

When you say 'wash', do you mean what others call the strings out of control/undamped?

 

 

 

BluesKing777.

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Thanks and you are welcome - though perhaps start with his first earlier fingerstyle books and slowly work forward - the last one is great but really hard!

 

Yep...but the dvd is a must for me. Monkey see, monkey do.

 

BluesKing777.

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I read the article again and he said he played newer (replaceable) 000-18s and National live and grabs the old 36 000-18 to record! Makes sense.

How long ago did you use to go see them? My books of his are not new, so does he/they still play about?

 

 

BluesKing777

 

They have their regular gig just about every Sunday up at Cold Spring Tavern - a really cool place - an old converted stagecoach stop up in the hills - play outside - I used to call it 'blues in the dirt' - they seem to limit their outside gigs these days - they go to Europe every summer - England mostly - west coast Blues festivals and stuff...

 

Kenny did a master class up at Jorma Kaukonen's Fur Peace Ranch awhile back - that whole set-up Jorma & his wife have sounds fantastic - I'd love to do that one time...

 

Anyway, yeah, they are definitely still around and keepin' busy - about once a year I ask Kenny when his next book will be out and he always says he'll get it finished 'this winter' - he blames the loooog delay on Santa Barbara living - so I don't know when or if he'll ever get it done - plus he has that teaching app thingy on-line - geez, it's like 'virtual Kenny' - I'm not a fan of that kind of technology...

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I had the good fortune to hang out with him for a few days a couple of summers back. He is not only a fantastic musician but a super guy as well. I remember a few of us were in a circle and he is bouncing all over the fingerboard while the rest of us tried to not do to much damage, then he leans my way and says "Take a break in here." I believe my heart actually came to a full stop. I like to think I did all right by the smile he gave me, however, he didn't ask me take another one. :unsure:

 

When I was with him he had two Martin 000-18KS models with him. One he had for a while, the other he had just picked up at the factory that day.

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"View PostRambler, on 26 January 2012 - 07:35 AM, said:With their response, its hard not to generate a wash of sound on the high end."

 

"Kenny said in the article that he damps heavily on 2 and 4. I guess that means he lifts his right hand on and off the bridge?When you say 'wash', do you mean what others call the strings out of control/undamped?"

 

With hog back & sides, you dont get as quick a response as you do w/RW or Maple. There's a delay before the note blooms. Hence the shimmery high end. Great for single note runs and slide. Or strumming. But when finger picking, the sound has a way of building up. The separate lines dont ring clear. Unless you damp like crazy (on the strings, btw, not the bridge). At least that's what I hear. One reason J45s and L00s are good for fingerstyle is that they are relatively dry for a mahogany guitar. Play a Martin 000 12 fret or an OM--you'll hear the difference right away.

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"View PostRambler, on 26 January 2012 - 07:35 AM, said:With their response, its hard not to generate a wash of sound on the high end."

 

"Kenny said in the article that he damps heavily on 2 and 4. I guess that means he lifts his right hand on and off the bridge?When you say 'wash', do you mean what others call the strings out of control/undamped?"

 

With hog back & sides, you dont get as quick a response as you do w/RW or Maple. There's a delay before the note blooms. Hence the shimmery high end. Great for single note runs and slide. Or strumming. But when finger picking, the sound has a way of building up. The separate lines dont ring clear. Unless you damp like crazy (on the strings, btw, not the bridge). At least that's what I hear. One reason J45s and L00s are good for fingerstyle is that they are relatively dry for a mahogany guitar. Play a Martin 000 12 fret or an OM--you'll hear the difference right away.

 

 

I admit I have returned to this number a few times:

 

Schoenbergs:

http://www.om28.com/...ed/4500018.html

 

 

I will go and have a look/play at my closest acoustic guitar shop - they have a couple of vintage Gibsons and Martin 000s I may try on the weekend. Last time I went there I was going to try this Taylor Doyle, but there were a group of old geezers talking about cars and hoggin' the space, and being the gentleman, I bought strings and went home instead of pushing them away from the row of vintage delights! It needs a quieter moment to hear the things you are talking about.... I still have never played a Taylor - I bet they are really good and you lot have been buying them up.

 

 

 

BluesKing777.

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Obviously the guitar comes into play, but as Rambler has pointed out in the case of KS, the player has a lot to do with things as well.

 

I will say that for me, while I definitely listen to what a guitar sounds like when I'm playing, the "feel" or feedback that I'm getting from the guitar is probably just as prominent in my thought process when I'm creating music. I have to admit that I haven't given too much thought to the phenomena of a wash of treble that has been pointed out when it comes to Martin 000s. I've got a 000-18GE that has scalloped bracing so you can probably pick up on that effect in the following recordings.

 

(Just what I need, one more guitar related thing to obsess over.)

 

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I don't hear that "wash" in Martins. Maybe I just don't know what it is.
. Ah, Shuckin Sugar. Always good to hear that. JT, I dont hear it so much in your 00s (smaller sound cavity), a wee bit more ring/sustain on the Martin. I do hear it more in Bill's two samples. 'Wash' might not be the right word. It's 'lush'. I'ds say Martin's tend to a 'lush' sound.
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Ah, Shuckin Sugar. Always good to hear that. JT, I dont hear it so much in your 00s (smaller sound cavity), a wee bit more ring/sustain on the Martin. I do hear it more in Bill's two samples. 'Wash' might not be the right word. It's 'lush'. I'ds say Martin's tend to a 'lush' sound.

 

I've played very few modern Martins, but I've played a lot of Martins from the 1920s and 1930s. I agree that they tend to have more sustain that Gibsons. a couple of qualifications to that, though. The early, large body 12-fret Gibson Ls, and in particular, the L-2s have, to my ears, have sustain equivalent to the Martins of the period. That's why I picked those 2 guitars for comparison. I don't think that the Gibson honk happened until 1933 or 19340.

 

Also, those late 1920s and early through mid 1930s mahogany Martins can sound beautifully dry. I've had a couple of 1930s D-18s come through that were incredible blues fingerpicking machines.

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