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Post your 1960's Gibsons!

#21 User is offline   Slim Chance 

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 08:57 AM

View PostJimR56, on 01 March 2012 - 09:43 PM, said:

[thumbup] Very nice, Slim. Very similar to mine, of course.

I have to ask... is your pickguard starting to "go", up near the top? It almost looks like there's some greenish corrosion of the gold finish at the tip of the Tremotone handle. If the guard is out-gassing, I hope you've already removed it. :unsure: That gas is nothing to mess around with, which I've unfortunately learned from experience (the pickguard in the above photo of my L5CT did the same thing).


Thanks for the heads-up. The guitar is at the shop getting a fret dress and setup ... will check.

Hey, is your '62 Sheraton the one that was for sale at Vintage And Rare (actually photos are still posted there) last year? If so, you just beat me to it.
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 11:18 AM

View Postj45nick, on 01 March 2012 - 07:15 PM, said:

My sources show yours as a 1965, rather than a 1968. That would also be consistent with the small F-holes, rather than the larger ones usually seen in 1968.


I'll have to try to remember the details I used to date it, I've had it for over 10 years & dated it when I bought it. If it was a '65, it wouldn't have witch hat knobs & the hardware would be nickel I believe. It seems to me, how many pieces were laminated to make the neck was one way to determine the year. I never knew about the "F" hole size difference before, interesting.......... I'll have to try to read the pot codes again, if I can find my dental mirror & light I use for reading them through a "F" hole. The serial number seems odd for anything in the time frame that these were produced.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 02:19 PM

Sorry about that, Slim. :) And yes, it's odd that they still have it listed as for sale almost a year and a half later.

What's the nut width on your '65, by the way?

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 04:27 PM

View PostGrog, on 02 March 2012 - 11:18 AM, said:

I'll have to try to remember the details I used to date it, I've had it for over 10 years & dated it when I bought it. If it was a '65, it wouldn't have witch hat knobs & the hardware would be nickel I believe. It seems to me, how many pieces were laminated to make the neck was one way to determine the year. I never knew about the "F" hole size difference before, interesting.......... I'll have to try to read the pot codes again, if I can find my dental mirror & light I use for reading them through a "F" hole. The serial number seems odd for anything in the time frame that these were produced.


It's really, really hard to date by hardware details, particularly in the transition years from '65-'69. Witch hats and chrome hardware actually started in '65, by my sources. I'm pretty sure all of the 335-12's would have one-piece mahogany necks, like mine. The straight 335 started multi-piece necks in '69, but since the 12 uses an entirely different neck, I don't know that this change would ever have been made in the 12. Since 12-string production crashed after the 1967 peak, they were probably using up earlier necks throughout the production run.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 05:38 PM

View Postj45nick, on 02 March 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

Witch hats and chrome hardware actually started in '65, by my sources.

Witch hats started in late '66 or early '67, according to my sources, memory, and experiences.

Just as a random test, I just went to George Gruhn's inventory page. None of his '65's and '66's have witch hats; all of his '67's, 68's have them.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 07:38 PM

View Postj45nick, on 02 March 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

It's really, really hard to date by hardware details, particularly in the transition years from '65-'69. Witch hats and chrome hardware actually started in '65, by my sources. I'm pretty sure all of the 335-12's would have one-piece mahogany necks, like mine. The straight 335 started multi-piece necks in '69, but since the 12 uses an entirely different neck, I don't know that this change would ever have been made in the 12. Since 12-string production crashed after the 1967 peak, they were probably using up earlier necks throughout the production run.


As close as I can tell, the pot code is the 11th week of 1968. I can plainly see the 11 & the 8. The 6 should be a no brainer. 1376811. I bought it in October of 1998, that explains my memory loss! In the book, "Gibson Electrics, The Classic Years" By A.R.Duchossoir, it said a five piece, laminated mahogany neck was not introduced until mid 1968. It looks like my neck is one piece. That must be what I remember reading, I had it bookmarked, most likely from when I was stewing over buying it............

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In this photo, it does kind of look laminated, it's a tough call, what do you think?

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 07:41 PM

View PostJimR56, on 02 March 2012 - 05:38 PM, said:

Witch hats started in late '66 or early '67, according to my sources, memory, and experiences.

Just as a random test, I just went to George Gruhn's inventory page. None of his '65's and '66's have witch hats; all of his '67's, 68's have them.


My findings are the same............

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 03:54 PM

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Here's my 1964 Melody Maker.

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 04:57 PM

View PostGrog, on 02 March 2012 - 07:38 PM, said:

As close as I can tell, the pot code is the 11th week of 1968. I can plainly see the 11 & the 8. The 6 should be a no brainer. 1376811. I bought it in October of 1998, that explains my memory loss! In the book, "Gibson Electrics, The Classic Years" By A.R.Duchossoir, it said a five piece, laminated mahogany neck was not introduced until mid 1968. It looks like my neck is one piece. That must be what I remember reading, I had it bookmarked, most likely from when I was stewing over buying it............

In this photo, it does kind of look laminated, it's a tough call, what do you think?


I think it's laminated, but it can be really hard to tell with mahogany. 1968 must be an odd year, with strange combinations of features and serial numbers!

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 02:48 PM

1963 Epiphone Texan FT-79.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 04:12 PM

Hey Flight! Awesome and luscious Epi Texan.... [thumbup] Quite a vintage beauty! Words fail me....Gasp! [wub]
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Posted 06 March 2012 - 04:15 PM

Very Nice FT-79 ... Paul McCartney played that model a lot.
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Posted 07 March 2012 - 01:03 PM

Hey Slim, I was wondering what the nut width is on your '65 Sheraton.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 09:00 PM

View PostJimR56, on 07 March 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

Hey Slim, I was wondering what the nut width is on your '65 Sheraton.


The nut width on my '65 Sheraton measures 1-10/16".
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Posted 08 March 2012 - 12:51 PM

View PostSlim Chance, on 07 March 2012 - 09:00 PM, said:

The nut width on my '65 Sheraton measures 1-10/16".

Thanks. I know the earlier ones varied quite a bit (the nut on my '62 is almost 1 3/4"... I think it's 1 11.7/16), but I wasn't sure what occurred post- '63.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 03:54 PM

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'61 Super 400CN

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'63 L-5CT

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'64 Barney Kessel regular

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 05:11 PM

Sorry for the bad photo (just scanned some old prints). Here's a 1964 Super 400CES that I bought from a famous player (maybe it would be fun to take guesses) back in the mid 80's:

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 05:17 PM

View PostSearcy, on 04 March 2012 - 03:54 PM, said:

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Here's my 1964 Melody Maker.


A '64 eh? Here's mine below, it's of the two-pickup sunburst variety. What's your serial? Mine's 236862. Pot codes put it after September of '64.

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(forgive the bad quality, I'm waiting for my good pics to come back from the photographer)

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 11:26 AM

View PostJimR56, on 25 March 2012 - 05:11 PM, said:

Sorry for the bad photo (just scanned some old prints). Here's a 1964 Super 400CES that I bought from a famous player (maybe it would be fun to take guesses) back in the mid 80's:

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The famous player in question had used it on recordings and in live performance during the 70's.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 09:47 AM

Hmmm, celebrity played in the 70's? [confused]

Can't be Scotty Moore or Elvis Presley.

Maybe Steve Howe? Nah.

Okay, I think it was Wes Montgomery. [thumbup]

Am I close?
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