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#1 User is offline   bonzoboy 

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 03:38 PM

A local hunting supply store recently started a contest with prizes for the biggest coyote shot.Last weekend a hunter shot a coyote that weighed in at 82 lbs. the previous world record was 76 lbs. shot in Wyoming I believe they said.They have sent blood and tissue samples away to be tested by wildlife specialists as they think that it may be a coyote/wolf hybrid.Coyotes didn't appear on the island until about 15 years ago when several crossed over from mainland Canada on the sea ice and since then the population as exploded.The last wolf in the province was killed in 1928 and that was a tragedy as the Newfoundland wolf was a seperate species.From pix I've seen of the animal it appears to be more wolflike than like a coyote.You can see for yourself here: http://www.cbc.ca/nl/
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 03:43 PM

I'm no wildlife expert, but that's a wolf. Not a hybrid coyote or hybrid wolf. It's a wolf.....I think.
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 03:44 PM

Dayum it's a biggun for sure, Bonz. That business about them being extinct should be taken with a grain of salt, though. We've seen wolf and badger here in southern Oregon and have been told repeatedly by those who know such things that they're both extinct here. Ho hum. [wink]



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Posted 15 March 2012 - 05:05 PM

 MissouriPicker, on 15 March 2012 - 03:43 PM, said:

I'm no wildlife expert, but that's a wolf. Not a hybrid coyote or hybrid wolf. It's a wolf.....I think.

+1 on that,coyotes have been knockin off cattle here in po'dunk,and they look like med. sized dogs and hunt in packs,hunters/homeowners kill them and drag them to the road for whoever wants the pelt or buzzards,first come first serve,i would have to agree that monster is a wolf,im no wildlife expert either but im glad to hear he's dead.He looks like something ya dont wanna come across w/out your sidearm [thumbup]
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 05:57 PM

Sorry guys but some of you are mistaken,DNA analysis of most of these animals caught so far have confirmed that they are indeed a hybrid of the eastern coyote and the grey wolf or in the cases of smaller ones pure blooded coyotes.Prior to about 15 years ago the last wild indigenous member of the canine family was the Newfoundland wolf killed in 1928 by a hunter visiting from England.From then until the recent coyote sightings there hasn't been a single sighting of a wolf or coyote on the island part of the province since 1928 and that's according to the director of the Department Of Wildlife.That's why people are speculating that this animal is a hybrid because of the sheer size of it.BTW a wolf won't attack a human and there has never been a documented wolf attack on a human in North America but conversely a coyote or wolf/coyote hybrid will attack humans.I am a paid up memberésupporter of CPAWS and The Canadian Wildlife Federation both organizations are commited to protecting the wolf and its habitat and it`s because of my love of wolves that I`ve done such a large ammount of research on them.We`ll know the true DNA makeup of this particular animal when the lab reports come back.

BTW just last summer a young lady who was an up and coming Canadian singer was attacked and killed by 3 coyotes in a Nova Scotia park.
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 06:06 PM

I am going with the wolfote side heavy on the wolf . Its so remarkable how wolves can be so varied within the species all those different dogs and then this beast, probably better make sure there arent more like that one is right. secondly that cancer ad on the home page was borderline vulger ... save a butt...ok but do I have to see it..lol
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 01:42 AM

This hunting thing is sick. Who gets enjoyment from killing? No wonder you get so many murders.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 04:26 AM

to provide and protect is the opposite of sick
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 05:00 AM

@ Lashurst I agree with you 100% I could never bring myself to cause the death of any other creature with a pulse and personally abhor guns and would never own one.We don't necessarily have a need for them here because we have the lowest incident rate of gun violence in North America and that's from the statistics of the North American Association of Chiefs of Police .I don't go along with killing an animal for "sport" no more than I'd go along with killing a human for the same reason,I see no sport in causing death.Having said that if I absolutely had to for the sake of keeping myself alive I may be driven to it but since we are able to go to a supermarket and buy whatever food we like that's highly unlikely.I know that I'm going draw a lot of "fire" for this but I follow the teachings of Ghandi and have adopted his creedo of "Reverence for Life." A lot of my relatives and all of my in-laws hunt and so be it,I don't give them flak for what they choose to do and they respect my point of view also.I also am a member of several organizations dedicated to the protection of wolves and their habitat and give a considerable amount of money to these groups.As our native brothers believe I too believe that we have a kinship with the wolf.
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 05:25 AM

Starting to sound like "We the Sheeple".

Sometimes it is kill or be killed, just the way of the wild.



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Posted 16 March 2012 - 05:48 AM

I agree with kill or be killed. But to kill for fun is sick.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 05:59 AM

 upsidedown club, on 16 March 2012 - 04:26 AM, said:

to provide and protect is the opposite of sick

I must have missed the bit where the "avid coyote hunter" provided something to someone. Other than a dead animal to be stuffed and put on display in the hunting shop, of course.

Protecting people from a dangerous animal is perfectly understandable as is hunting for food but, clearly, neither scenario was the case here. He simply went out to kill something. Joe Fleming makes no claims to have been doing anything other than hunting so there's no reason for you to make any excuses on his behalf.

North American Wolves almost never attack humans and, as far as I can ascertain, the most recent occasion a human was reported as having been killed in a coyote attack was 2009.

Domestic dogs, OTOH, attack and/or kill hundreds of people each year. Should we kill all pet dogs?

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 06:22 AM

 lashurst, on 16 March 2012 - 05:48 AM, said:

I agree with kill or be killed. But to kill for fun is sick.


I am with you there - hunt to eat, fine - defend yourself or your family - fine, but to go out and make a game of it disgusts me.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 06:40 AM

 pippy, on 16 March 2012 - 05:59 AM, said:

I must have missed the bit where the "avid coyote hunter" provided something to someone. Other than a dead animal to be stuffed and put on display in the hunting shop, of course.

Protecting people from a dangerous animal is perfectly understandable as is hunting for food but, clearly, neither scenario was the case here. He simply went out to kill something.

North American Wolves almost never attack, humans and, as far as I can ascertain, the most recent occasion a human was reported as having been killed in a coyote attack was 2009.

Domestic dogs, OTOH, attack and/or kill hundreds of people each year. Should we kill all our pet dogs?

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Killing coyotes is a public service. I've killed a few of them in my day. Once you see a hunting pack of them take down one of your calves they don't seem like little puppy dogs any more. They are aggressive. The kill live stock, pets and small children. In the U.S. there aren't many places where there are many natural predictors for Coyotes. They are increasingly inching their way into urban and suburban areas so their population must be kept in check. This is why more areas have pretty aggressive hunting policies regarding them.


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Posted 16 March 2012 - 06:44 AM

In a somewhat related issue (wildlife), I've heard that there are more moose on the island than people. When I was there, I never saw one but sure saw a lot of roadside memorials. A result of collisions. Around my place you don't get that many collisions with moose (definitely some) but deer are hit regularly. We get deer in the yard a few times a year and we're barely out of the city.
The wolf population around here has diminished to almost nil. Urban sprawl. But Coyotes are seen regularly and are a real concern.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:03 AM

 Searcy, on 16 March 2012 - 06:40 AM, said:

Killing coyotes is a public service. I've killed a few of them in my day. Once you see a hunting pack of them take down one of your calves they don't seem like little puppy dogs any more. They are aggressive. The kill live stock, pets and small children. In the U.S. there aren't many places where there are many natural predictors for Coyotes. They are increasingly inching their way into urban and suburban areas so their population must be kept in check. This is why more areas have pretty aggressive hunting policies regarding them.

Searcy, I don't have any problem whatsoever with killing coyotes (or any other animal) when there is a valid reason. Coyotes killing livestock - which you mention - is obviously a valid reason.

The article in the OP was concerning someone who hunts for sport. Different thing entirely.

But the 'Pro-hunt' V's 'Hunt-protestors' debate is like politics and religion in that it has the ability to polarise opinion.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:06 AM

My reference using the word 'hunters' previously,meant deer hunters..deer hunters use dogs here,and when/if the dogs get on a coyote,they usually end up takin it down,...there was one cattle farm that lost i believe 'in the high 20's' cattle due to coyotes last year.At that point they become more than just a nuisance imo..the farmers have to look at it like they do w/ deer damage stamps..just more intense and more money lost per head vs. damaged corn from deer.When the farmer/sherrif's office went public for help,you can imagaine the numbers that came,they hunted round the clock and in shifts as i heard it..add in a few reports of pets being lost,which leads to the threat of small children..imo thats when any preservation for the animal gets thrown out the window.Just my .02
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:21 AM

 mikekefr, on 16 March 2012 - 07:06 AM, said:

..add in a few reports of pets being lost,which leads to the threat of small children..imo thats when any preservation for the animal gets thrown out the window.Just my .02


These are the official figures from the United Kingdom's governmental office, The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs;

  • In England in 2008/09, there were over 5,000 hospital admissions resulting from being bitten or struck by a dog (excludes people treated in minor injury units (MIU) or accident and emergency (A&E) departments, without being admitted as an inpatient).
  • In 2009, dog attacks on people in England cost the Health Service £3.3 million.
  • Estimate of 6,000 dog attacks on postmen/women each year.

That's an astonishing 11,000 attacks per year - almost half of which required pretty serious hospital treatment. How many attacks by coyotes do you have per year, do you reckon?

This is after, please note, a ban on four species of dog came into place in 1991 outlawing ownership of those breeds deemed to be too dangerous to the general public following a series of savage killings by these types of animal.

So, again; should we kill all pet dogs - "preservation for the animal" as you put it - just to be on the safe side?

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:31 AM

 pippy, on 16 March 2012 - 07:21 AM, said:

These are the official figures from the United Kingdom's governmental office, The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs;

  • In England in 2008/09, there were over 5,000 hospital admissions resulting from being bitten or struck by a dog (excludes people treated in minor injury units (MIU) or accident and emergency (A&E) departments, without being admitted as an inpatient).
  • In 2009, dog attacks on people in England cost the Health Service £3.3 million.
  • Estimate of 6,000 dog attacks on postmen/women each year.

That's an astonishing 11,000 attacks per year! How many attacks by coyotes do you have per year, do you reckon?

This is after, please note, a ban on four species of dog came into place in 1991 outlawing ownership of those breeds deemed to be too dangerous to the general public following a series of savage killings by these types of animal.

So, again; should we kill all pet dogs - "preservation for the animal" as you put it - just to be on the safe side?

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If they are feral dogs and their population is growing at such a rate that they must become more and more aggressive in order to find food then the answer is yes. Kill the domestic dogs. As far as tame pet dogs go, most any pet dog that aggressively harms a human in the U.S. will be put down.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:50 AM

 Searcy, on 16 March 2012 - 07:31 AM, said:

If they are feral dogs and their population is growing at such a rate that they must become more and more aggressive in order to find food then the answer is yes. Kill the domestic dogs. As far as tame pet dogs go, most any pet dog that aggressively harms a human in the U.S. will be put down.

Unfortunately the attack figures don't break down into 'Feral' and 'Domestic' but there's not a great problem as far as the number of feral dogs in the UK is concerned. Cats, yes. Loads of them. But there are not too many feral dogs even in London. Certainly the 6,000 reported attacks on postmen/women will be, I suspect, down to domestic 'pets'.

If the attack is found to have been very severe then, as in the U.S., the animal will be put down.

But therein lies the difference; coyotes can be hunted and killed because, in theory, they might pose a potential threat at some future time despite there being almost no occasions when any attack against a human has taken place.

Dogs, on the other hand - even although there are 11,000 attacks on humans in the UK per year - are not thought to pose any threat!

How does that make sense?

Can I just say that I like dogs and am not calling for a summary execution of these animals! [smile]

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