[RTH]

 Notes_Norton, on 31 March 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:

Not to take away anything from the talent of Metallica --- but --- The Beatles were an icon of a generation, like Elvis was before that, Sinatra before that, Crosby before that and Jolson before that. Everybody in the generation listened to these people. And the entire generation of youngsters knew ALL their pop hits by heart.

Every pop radio station played them. But there were very few pop stations. You had no choice. You either listened to Classical, EZ, "race", Country or Top40/Pop. The kids all listened to Top40/pop.

But the music industry fragmented after the Beatles. Along with the Beatles were other superstar groups like Zep and Pink Floyd. But after that, radio became fragmented. Now we have urban stations, alternative stations, soft rock stations, dance music stations, rap stations, and at least a dozen other formats competing for the same age group.

Metallica is not an icon of a generation - every child of the generation does not know any of their songs by heart.

Unless the music industry reverses itself, I don't think there will ever be anything like The Beatles or Elvis or Sinatra again.

The Beatles also knew when to quit. Metallica, not so much.

[surfpup]

 RTH, on 31 March 2012 - 10:59 AM, said:

The Beatles also knew when to quit. Metallica, not so much.

The fact that three of the four Beatles could sing well kinda helped too!

[Rabs]

I also love Metallica, seen them five times.. BUT theres a huge difference between the two bands..

The Beatles started off as a pop band and then turned into a rock band (continued to be creative and write some of the most classic songs ever written)
Metallica started as a rock band and have turned into a pop band (with really stupid music videos which they were quoted they would NEVER make when they started)(and have just become less creative)


As much as I love Metallica and they are still a great live band, since the Black album they have just gone so downhill (some would say since Justice)... im sorry but their studio releases have become almost characterisations of their previous albums.. And well, its understandable really since they were teenagers when they started and had all that angst and now they are middle aged men with kids.

Also I used to for many years, not get the Beatles and I never understood the facination with them until I heard Abbey Road, Revolver, The White Album and Let it Be.. I also find that people that generally havent heard the inbetween stuff (after the pop and before full hippy phases) cant really say they have listened to enough of the Beatles music to properly comment.

Seriously if youve never heard those albums check them out, you may be suprised. (I mean the white album has while my guitar gently weeps.. common people )

[Duende]

Swleary??!! I had to double take after reading the title of the thread...It is so Steve-esque,
Matt

[pfox14]

You can't even compare the bigger bands of the Beatles era as having the staying power they did. They'll stiull be playing Beatles songs 50 years from now. I don't Mtallica would have the kahones to compare themselves to the Beatles.

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 *Matt*, on 31 March 2012 - 11:13 AM, said:

Swleary??!! I had to double take after reading the title of the thread...It is so Steve-esque,
Matt

[surfpup]

 Cruznolfart, on 31 March 2012 - 05:04 AM, said:

I'm looking forward to the Muzak version of Fade to Black. It'll change the elevator experience for me.

Well, there is the Rockabye Baby album... We actually have this and a bunch of others:
Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones, Bob Marley, The Cure, AC/DC... good stuff
for rocking out in the nursery with the baby!

[Malchik]

Who could possibly forget their "genius" fifty years from now?

[Cruznolfart]

 surfpup, on 31 March 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

Well, there is the Rockabye Baby album... We actually have this and a bunch of others:
Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones, Bob Marley, The Cure, AC/DC... good stuff
for rocking out in the nursery with the baby!

That's pretty cool, Surf. Way different than the James Taylor and Don Mclean kinda stuff we used. Good luck with that.

[charlie brown]

Actually, to me, anyway...The Beatles started, as a Rock & Roll band, in Hamburg,
doing covers of their favorite R&R idols, as well as writing their own material. Then...
they became a "Pop" band, albeit one of, if not THE best ever, and then, after they quit
touring, they redefined "Rock" music, and even the format (singles, vs "concept"Album)
though they said that "Sgt. Pepper" (often listed as a "concept album"), as a "concept,
didn't really go anywhere." But, I think, starting with Rubber Soul, the Album songs
became more important, as a whole, than what was most common, back then, being just a
collection, of "singles," and/or record company dictated "filler." But, even in the early
days, they were aware, of the power of "grouping" songs, in a particular order, which is
why they were upset, when Capitol released the USA versions, of the LP's, with the songs
in a different order. They started, so many things, that are now quite common, in R&R...
even the mixing, of different genre's, within an album, and even within a song.

As good as Metallica may be, or is...they're NOT The Beatles! And, I dare say, they'd never
make the comparison.

CB

[bonzoboy]

I'm sorry SW but your opinion is deeply flawed,although you probably want to see Metallica remembered longer than the Beatles the sad truth is that they won't be.The Beatles were hailed by famed conductor/composer Leonard Bernstein as "modern day Mozarts" and their songs have been recorded by some of the most famous and respected people and acts in the entertainment business.They even have had their music transposed to be performed and recorded by some of the most gifted and famous musicians on all manner of instruments and has even been recorded by famed symphony orchestras such Arthur Feidler's Boston Pops Orchestra and the esteemed Royal Philharmonic Pops Orchestra.The Beatles also crossed the lines of many genres of music whereas Metallica limits themselves just to the vehicle of heavy metal music to get their message across.All the Beatles have had hugely successful solo recordings and most have gone not only gold but platinum.

The Beatles in the few short years they were together managed to garner accolades from most of the top musical giants worldwide and write a treasure trove of music that has endured for the 4 decades since they parted ways.There music still manages to top the sales figures of the record charts and they show no signs of waning after all these years.People are still doing covers of their songs and all their songs still remain as some of the main staples of the "oldies" radio stations.Every "new" release of their material goes platinum in pre-sale reservations before it's even officially put on sale for the general public.Any rumors of a pending release of their material still manages to make it to the front pages of newspapers.

As for Metallica,graanted they are all good musicians and have quite a large following but their muusic just appeals to a limited segment of the population whereas The Beatles crossed all age,race and social barriers as their music or at least some of it had something that pleased just about everyone.Metallica hasn't had their material recorded by hundreds of the world's top musicians nor have they been lauded to be in the same standing as someone who many experts regard as the greatest musician/composer who ever lived.I don't know if any of Metallica have recorded solo albums and the fact that I don't know means that if in fact they did they weren't met with the same enthusiasm and acclaim as Beatle's solo efforts.If one of the Beatles released a solo album it was a major news story through the media.

Now,after having said all that,I doubt very much that Metallica will ever be remembered on the same scale as the Beatles are because they didn't have the impact on the musical world that the Beatles did by starting a musical Renaissance that changed the course of rock and popular music for the better and Metallica really put their stamp on a single genre of music and only created a stir to the metal oriented sector of music fans.The Beatles have assured their longevity by the continuing popularity of their music and the ever increasing popularity of it with whole new generations of kids who are as amazed by it as the Baby Boomers of the 60s were when they first heard it.There is no way that Metallica will ever outlast that of The Beatles because if they were to they would already have universal adulation and as I stated several times they have only acheived a folowing-albeit huge- of the metal oriented segment of music lovers.

[S t e v e]

we need more people like swleary on here, people that ain't afraid to speak the truth...too many butt kissers on here, if you don't like something or someone then say so! don't just "follow the crowd"...respect to you swleary

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 bonzoboy, on 31 March 2012 - 01:25 PM, said:

I'm sorry SW but your opinion is deeply flawed,

in "your" opinion bonzo of course?

[bonzoboy]

Yes that is my opinion but I went on at length to explain and defend my opinion with facts that were not based on whether or not I like one more than the other or dislike one more than the other.I didn't invent these facts as they are all common knowledge and that is what I based my opinion on... there's no disputing facts no matter what your stance is on a subject or what side of the fence that you sit on.

[RowdyMoon]

I respect your opinion but I don't believe so....


what year and with whom did Metallica first appear on TV?.........and the Beatles?

I think Metallica will rank up there with Sabbath and Zeppelin but not the Beatles.

[Buxom]

I respect his opinion as well, but in my opinion, The Beatles were kinda... Horrible... They didn't do as much for rock and roll as Jimi Hendrix imo, and I made a diagram of it for a friend with a similar opinion as Bonzy. I can't find it though, so I'll describe it. It started with a forest, and Elvis Presley, with an axe. Then the forest was gone, and The Beatles were there with shovels and concrete, as to make the foundation. Then Jimi Hendrix came along, with a bulldozer, fresh concrete, and building materials, dug up the foundation, and built the damn house, burnt it down many times, and rebuilt it again. In comparison with JH, The Beatles are flavorless, colorless, trash. But, that's just my opinion.

[Malchik]

 Buxom, on 31 March 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

I respect his opinion as well, but in my opinion, The Beatles were kinda... Horrible... They didn't do as much for rock and roll as Jimi Hendrix imo, and I made a diagram of it for a friend with a similar opinion as Bonzy.

I agree, the Beatles is ******* pretentious hipster music. They'll be forgotten in a couple years.

[Zeppelinguy]

Whether you like to or not, the Beatles are the Mozart of the future.

[bonzoboy]

Buxom I usually agree with much of what you say but you have way overstepped the boundries of what is onsidered to be proper language on a public forum,I am far from a prude myself because when suitably provoked I can spew out a barrage of multi-syllables pprofanities that would make a statue blush,but this is not the place for such base and vile language.It is an insult and displays contempt and total lack of regard for people who are sensitive to that kind of language.I suggest that you apologize to those you have offended that would at least allow you to save some face.After all this is a public forum not a pubic forum.

[Buxom]

 mikekefr, on 31 March 2012 - 03:22 PM, said:

Awfully strong words,if you feel the need to use these words regarding music/bands,maybe you should take up needlepoint and sell your guitars,And obviously join an adult forum somewhere.Completely uncalled for.

I guess you're right. But I guess I'm right as well. We're all entitled to an opinion. It may not agree with your rules or values, but I'm certainly not removing it. I posted it, and I'm willing to take the shitstorm of hate, simply for disliking a band and a group of people.

And I'm sorry if my brash language hurt your feelings, but I speak the same way in person. I'll try to be somebody else on the internet.