Jeffer Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I was wondering if this is a Gibson es-300. It was built sometime during the WW11......FON.....2844-15 and the 15 is in red pencil......also there is no label inside of guitar, just 2844 in stamped ink and the 15 in red pencil. Would all of the Gibson guitars have a label inside of guitar?....thanks for your opinion.....Jeff http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/jeffer6/ES-300/DSC00096.jpg http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/jeffer6/ES-300/DSC00466.jpg http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/jeffer6/ES-300/DSC00095.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson CS Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I was wondering if this is a Gibson es-300. It was built sometime during the WW11......FON.....2844-15 and the 15 is in red pencil......also there is no label inside of guitar, just 2844 in stamped ink and the 15 in red pencil. Would all of the Gibson guitars have a label inside of guitar?....thanks for your opinion.....Jeff http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/jeffer6/ES-300/DSC00096.jpg http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/jeffer6/ES-300/DSC00466.jpg http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/jeffer6/ES-300/DSC00095.jpg This indeed appears to be an ES-300, the FON dates to 1948 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffer Posted February 20, 2013 Author Share Posted February 20, 2013 This indeed appears to be an ES-300, the FON dates to 1948 Thanks for the input. I would have thought it was older with the two numbers in red pencil after the 4 digit number stamp. I got the impression it would date during the end of WW11. Anyway, I don't have the knowledge, like you guys, and appreciate all information I can gather on this guitar....keep the information coming, as I like to pick the brains of those who have the experience on older instruments.......thanks again....Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimR56 Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 This indeed appears to be an ES-300, the FON dates to 1948 Actually, I think it's earlier. 1944, probably. Gibson Factory Order Numbers, 1942 to 1951. Serial numbers are seldon found on instruments made during WW2. But most (not all) have Factory Order Numbers (FON). These contain a four digit batch number stamped in ink, followed by a two digit sequence number written in red pencil (during WW2 only). After the war, the red pencil wasn't used (and on instruments made during the war, sometimes it's really hard to see the red penciled sequence number). Year Factory Order Number ---- -------------------- 1941 G (letter code sometimes seen after FON, i.e. 2586G). 1942 907, 910, 923, 2004, 2005, 7000ish (i.e. 7119) - all 'Banner' logo. 1942 H (letter code sometimes seen after FON, i.e. 7116H). Range 5xxxH to 8xxxH 1943 Range generally 9xx to 22xx, depending on the model. 1944 Range generally 22xx to 29XX, depending on the model, some with no FON. 1945 1xx to 10xx, but many with no FON. 1946 n/a ('Banner' logo no longer used, now script logo with no banner). 1947 700s to 1000s 1948 1100s to 3700s The headstock logo alone suggests that this instrument is earlier than 1948. More info in Jeffer's other thread on this guitar: http://forum.gibson.com/index.php?/topic/98142-es-300/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffer Posted March 21, 2013 Author Share Posted March 21, 2013 Thanks for the post. I had the guitar examined (photos) by Gruhn and in his opinion was, that it was made in late of 1945, although I'm sure this isn't written in stone as the records back then were haphazard. At least I have a better idea of the history of the guitar. He did say a limited number, , were made inlaid with the black finish and with a black covered pickup with no adjustable pole screws. But I appreciate every bodies input on this. Actually, I think it's earlier. 1944, probably. Gibson Factory Order Numbers, 1942 to 1951. Serial numbers are seldon found on instruments made during WW2. But most (not all) have Factory Order Numbers (FON). These contain a four digit batch number stamped in ink, followed by a two digit sequence number written in red pencil (during WW2 only). After the war, the red pencil wasn't used (and on instruments made during the war, sometimes it's really hard to see the red penciled sequence number). Year Factory Order Number ---- -------------------- 1941 G (letter code sometimes seen after FON, i.e. 2586G). 1942 907, 910, 923, 2004, 2005, 7000ish (i.e. 7119) - all 'Banner' logo. 1942 H (letter code sometimes seen after FON, i.e. 7116H). Range 5xxxH to 8xxxH 1943 Range generally 9xx to 22xx, depending on the model. 1944 Range generally 22xx to 29XX, depending on the model, some with no FON. 1945 1xx to 10xx, but many with no FON. 1946 n/a ('Banner' logo no longer used, now script logo with no banner). 1947 700s to 1000s 1948 1100s to 3700s The headstock logo alone suggests that this instrument is earlier than 1948. More info in Jeffer's other thread on this guitar: http://forum.gibson....c/98142-es-300/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimR56 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Thanks for the post. I had the guitar examined (photos) by Gruhn and in his opinion was, that it was made in late of 1945, although I'm sure this isn't written in stone as the records back then were haphazard. At least I have a better idea of the history of the guitar. He did say a limited number, , were made inlaid with the black finish and with a black covered pickup with no adjustable pole screws. One thing about George... he's seen so many guitars, he doesn't often get excited by something. In other words, I think he tends to understate things sometimes. A "limited number", in this case, might be an example of that. I mean, try finding another guitar like this. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlanta Spike Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Assuming the knobs are original, that's the big giveaway that it's a wartime guitar, and the pickup position indicate's it's a late wartime guitar at that so Jim's dating seems right to me. I have a '49 (first year two pickup). Can you tell us a bit about the pickup in yours? Is that a replacement of some kind? Looks old, but obviously not a P90 as I understand the breed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimR56 Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 The pickup is correct and original. Some of the earliest post-war pickups not only had non-adjustable poles, they were not even exposed. More info here: http://books.google.com/books?id=rogO4vkRrYcC&pg=PA29&lpg=PA29&dq=early+gibson+p90+covered+poles&source=bl&ots=6rNMK2roPW&sig=VBMnCrIHuDxe28mKzLhkyPEevxA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6a5cUau3JLHliQLtt4CIBg&ved=0CE8Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=early%20gibson%20p90%20covered%20poles&f=false Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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