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  1. In Topic:What 12 fret models has Gibson made?

    22 July 2017 - 12:36 PM

    After about 1933, most all of the golden era 12-fret flat tops were converted Hawaiian. Here are ours from that period.

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    The Gibsons are a Roy Smeck Stage Deluxe, a Roy Smeck Radio Grande, a HG-00 and a HG-Century. The Martins are a 00-40H and three 00-18Hs.

    In this general pictures of our old Gibsons, in addition to the 14-fret and the Hawaiian conversions in the picture above, you can see a couple of early 12-fret flat tops -- a 1925 (far left) L-1 and a 1931 L-2 (2nd on the right).

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    12 frets was the rule before 1929 when Martin introduced the 14-fret OM. Here is a picture of three guitars I got from Norman Blake in 2005. In addition to the 34 00-40H Martin shown earlier, there is a 1895 Almctantz and a late 1920s Larson Brothers. Note that Almcrantz is a 12-fret dread sized guitar build 20 years before Martin did any such thing.

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    Let's pick,

    -Tom
  2. In Topic:What 12 fret models has Gibson made?

    21 July 2017 - 01:58 PM

    View Posttheflyingturtle, on 21 July 2017 - 01:07 PM, said:

    So, this confuses me. Were these 12 fret guitars regular production models or custom requests that Gibson made available upon request?


    They were all 12-fret until about 1933. After I think only the Hawaiian, classicals, and the mid-60s F models were until modern times.
  3. In Topic:GUITAR COLLECTING

    20 July 2017 - 05:15 AM

    Hi all,

    For us (wife and I), this is a pretty broad topic. The fact that it is "wife and I" is a major part of it. Now retired, we have developed a lifestyle around activities that were just hobbies in our working days. These were stress relieve activities -- a way to get away from the continuing pressure of career and working life.

    The whole topic for us is quite complex -- I actually wrote about some years ago as part of a discussion on this forum. I later put it in a blog. Here is that post.

    I did a lot of stuff in my life that was satisfying but not "fun." I guess the height of fun for me -- like Willi Nelson I guess -- is making music with my friends. And having a lot of friends to do it with. We are not performers -- we are jammers who sometimes jam on stage. Never the same -- every time different. Every time an excuse to play with friends. I just LOVE to do that in a direct visceral way. I love a great jam with great musicians, a good jam with modest musicians, a fair jam with fair musicians -- I even love jams where the pieces don't fit and I love playing with novices. I also love it with a audience, but it is ok if the only audience are the players. It is like the music is a painting and the old guitars -- along with the songs we know, our vocal/harmony skills, our playing skills (such as they are) and all the skills of the other players are the pallet. It is like doing a high wire act without a net. Like Dale Earnhardt SR said -- sometimes you win, sometimes you, lose, sometimes you wreak. But it is the joy of my life.

    Let's pick,
    -Tom
  4. In Topic:Let's talk small-bodied Gibsons

    14 July 2017 - 04:55 PM

    I have been on the road for a couple of months, so I have avoided this this thread. That is because I have spent a good portion of my adult life researching this topic. I think we pretty much have all the instruments being discussed.

    Here are some pictures for some of the flat top guitars. I am sorry I don't have them separated by big/little. That is indeed a major divide, particularly in the 1930s.

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    1940s

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    Zoos

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    LGs -- 42 LG-1, 46 LG-2, 59 LG-1

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    60s

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    We also have a 49 CF-100 -- not pictured.

    Much has already been said. I'll just add a few thoughts.

    First, if neck geometry drives you, then I have not much to add. I long ago developed the ability to adapt quickly (during a short warmup) to any neck we have -- from 2 1/4 RSSD to the fine neck HB. Sound is our thing. The neck does add to the fabric of a session -- nice, but not so important as sound, the acoustic environment and the ensemble.

    Second, if you like mahogany tops, the 42 LG-1 is a good example for a guitar with that feature -- as is the 0-17 and the 00-17. I like them both, but many people prefer spruce tops.

    Third, there were 3/4 guitars before the 50s -- we have a 35 L-00 3/4 and a 42 Zoo Sport Model. The L-00 3/4 is a fine kick butt (X-braced) guitar, but it is really small. They all are.

    Fourth, an interesting outlier among our guitars is the 65 F-25. Amazing power -- reminds one of the 30s. Quirky as stated -- and the designed evolved -- but we have a killer.

    Fifth with regard just old guitars, we probably walked away from 90% of the old guitars we ever considered just because we only bought exceptional sounding examples. Many, many old guitars have not made it through unscathed -- often the problem can be found and fixed. Often not.

    Finally we spent a lot of time in the past decade developing a system capable of faithful sound reproduction of single vintage guitars.

    There are a lot of examples here and here and in other albums here. There are examples of most of the guitars discussed here.

    Good hunting.

    Let's pick,
    -Tom
  5. In Topic:Right now still anybody personally and smoothly mailing guitar with rosewood part outside USA ?

    13 July 2017 - 05:40 AM

    We have a lot of old instruments -- thus all of them can legally be exported with the proper license. We have homes in the US and Canada and we go back and forth every year -- we are retired. Historically we have always carried a fair number of instruments -- part of our life style.

    The remarkable thing to me is how many old guitars used RW -- not just for B&S, but also a lot for fingerboards and bridges. Maybe 90% of our instruments have some kind of RW -- almost no old Gibsons are free. This is even true of our prewar Gibson banjos -- fretboards.

    Well we still have a few that are ok -- mostly with ebony fretboards and bridges. Martin went to RW on small model 18s in 1935 and on D-18s after WWII. So this year we had to make do with a 1934 000-18, 1938 D-18, 1921 Vega Whyte Laydie, and 1976 RB-250 (weirdly with an ebony FB). It was tough but we survived.Posted Image. [I cried because I had no sails until I saw a man that had no yacht.]

    Since I am clearly not importing any restricted materials, I not required to do anything except to report to border officials that I am carrying instruments if ask. So how often has anyone checked? Never.

    Let's pick,

    -Tom

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