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HOWEVER... a few guys on here who got a 2015 had replacement chrome plated nuts sent to them which apparently fixed the issue... but really who wants to have to go through all that nonsense when you buy an expensive item like a Les Paul... very true, and it brings out the question - why did Gibson release such a soft brass nut insert in the first place? they have been around a very long time, why did they ignore extensively testing the wear characteristics prior to shipping? how well did the childish Les Paul signature received by the buying public, everyone seems to dislike it but they went ahead with it anyway.........

I'd be moderately curious to know what percentage of new buyers of this product are experience the same or similar issues and what percentage are not having troubles with them and think they work flawlessly... we will never know those percentages but over on the MyLesPaul forum a number of new 2015 Les Paul buyers are quite happy with their G Forces, and from what I have read the few that have had problems were quickly swapped out under warranty with new units with no further issues also at MLP forum, there are some working musicians reporting how much they like the G Force while performing and some are purchasing units to retrofit their other guitars with

A dividend of 20 million? Holy crap, if the entire guitar industry went public and you were the majority in each company you'd see only 20 THOUSAND yearly. If you were lucky! are you 14 or something? ever sat on the board of large profitable companies? I have, and yes, 20 million a year in dividends for each majority shareholder is....common...maybe later in life you will have a more realistic sense of how profitable some companies are

you know what guys? We will never know if Gibson "blew it" or not, will we? Gibson does not release to the public their new guitar sales, model by model, every year. Reading through all the posts on the 2015 models it is clear that a large number of us posting here are making great predictions that Gibson will "fail" in sales this year. Really? How would you know, you don't sit in their board room and look at the numbers. I hate to say it but it seems that a lot of us here almost seem to be rooting for failure, so we can say "I told you so" I hope Gibson does just fine selling their 2015s and the more I read the more I read of people buying the guitars with the G Force, nut, and neck, and actually liking them. Sure, of course I have also read of a handful, really just a couple, of guys who bought and had immediate problems with the G Force, but they are covered under warranty. Gibson sells all over the world, I would like be be a large shareholder getting 20 million dollars every year in dividends and laughing to the bank about such a "unmitigated disaster".

Gibson is alienating about 90% of their customer base I have to respectfully disagree My point is that people on this forum, the MLP forum, people who own and play Gibson guitars are NOT, in my opinion, Gibson's "base". Why? Because "we" already own Gibsons, and how many times have I read "I only buy used, I would never pay for new guitar, I can't afford it" So, WE are not the marketing demographic that Gibson is interested in selling NEW guitar too, Gibson knows that and they know that there are tens of millions of potential NEW gibson guitar buyers out there and in order to both keep and increase their share of the total NEW guitar market they have to market themselves as innovative and the guitar to most aspire to owning, and they are smartly doing that by raising price and being the first to have adjustable nut and auto tuners. It is irrelevant to Gibson that YOU do not like the G Force and the new prices, YOU are not the targeted demographic, Gibson does not really care at all what YOU think. All just my opinion and you can curse and flame me all you want, but at 65 years of age and having sat in many majority shareholder meetings, I think i know "business"

it is simply not true that ALL the 2015 Les Pauls come with the G Force for example, the Les Paul Supreme does not

]Well.... I have had the guitar for one week, played it for at least 20+ hours and the G-Force tuners have presented me with nothing but problems. The last straw was at rehearsal last night and the guitar was out of tune more than it was in tune. I have purchased many, many brand new guitars over the years and never had the problems with tuning as I have had with this one. Taking it back today and trading it in for a 2014 Les Paul Traditional. Something to be said about tuning your own guitars manually [thumbup darn it, I hate hearing stuff like this, I wanted Gibson to be successful with this right out of the gate, seems they introduced it too fast into the market sorry to hear it did not work out for you, as I am reading on other forums I bought a 2014 TradPro2 last week new negotiated down to $1545 plus tax, took it home and played it, and took it back two days later in exchange for a 14 Standard Plus the Trad was simply too heavy for just to pick it up and rest it on my leg was an effort, mine weighed 10.2 pounds, just saying be aware the Trads are heavy and solid although they do have some hole drilled in them, some weight relief I also did not care for the 15db boost thing, thought it was nothing special and kind of a gimmic, I did get mine with a 60s neck and I liked that you can specify what weight would be acceptable to you as they seem to range from as low as 9 to well over 10 pounds, this may not bother you as it did me good choice regardless sir .....and IF you can swing another $1000 consider the Standard Plus, the best of everything Gibson can put on a guitar, mine retailed at $3200 but I got it for $2500 with some pretty good pleading at my Guitar Center