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  1. In Topic:At what $ do the good ones show up?

    Today, 11:27 AM

    View PostJinder, on 16 August 2017 - 10:46 AM, said:

    I know where there are a couple of cosmetically challenged but physically sound and incredible sounding prewar L-00s for under £3000.

    I absolutely disagree with your luthier that the "good stuff" kicks off at $10,000. The RARE stuff, perhaps, but I've played plenty of rare and valuable guitars that have just plain sucked. A pre CBS Strat that a store locally to me had in stock a couple of years back (and implored me to try) was over £25,000 and was an absolute bag of cack. A prewar D28 that a friend of mine owned for a while (before getting spooked by owning such a valuable instrument and selling it) was a plunky, thunky, unpleasant to play guitar with very little going for it. My humble '67 J45 destroyed it in every way.

    On the other hand, there are some truly exceptional '50s J45s and J50s out there which are floating around in the £4000-£5000 bracket.

    Vintage guitars are a real curate's egg. Time, wood curing and the romance of an old guitar go a long way towards masking shortcomings, but if anything I would say that vintage acoustics are more variable than modern examples, and perhaps (because of the higher price) more of a critical investment. You have to spend some time with a guitar to know its right.

    This is why Glenn at Glenn's Guitars is my favourite vintage dealer in the U.K.-deals from home, has a gigantic stock of beautiful instruments and will happily spend hours one-to-one, making sure you find the right instrument for you and using his many years of expertise to suggest guitars you may not normally gravitate towards but that suit your style more than the ones you would normally grab.

    I have no affiliation with Glenn, just a very happy customer who has enjoyed every deal I've had with him over the last 10yrs.

    Brilliant! Jinder, genuinely, thank you for that response. It added a lot. My big take away is how you defined price being more relevant to rarity. That's a fresh idea to me.
  2. In Topic:The worst SG I have ever seen!

    Today, 09:42 AM

    View PostMarky Forrest, on 15 August 2017 - 09:39 PM, said:

    Oh man what a heart breaker for both of you. So sorry.

    Oh it wasn't me. I just saw the aftermath.
  3. In Topic:At what $ do the good ones show up?

    Today, 09:39 AM

    View PostE-minor7, on 15 August 2017 - 08:14 PM, said:

    This is an extremely relative question as the good ones come on every shelf.
    Take Jinder's word when he mentiones his Insp. by Texan (which we still need to hear).

    Talking conventional high-end guitars you don't need to go, neither need to all the way back or up there to find a good one.
    Why choose pre-war for pre-wars sake.

    Another thing is that the high priced real oldies vary too. They're all old, yes, but some will have it more than others.
    And some will be 'bad' and doggy for the tag.
    I would seek high and low. And if I seriously wanted the pre-war flavor (if we accept such a term), the search would be concentrated down below 1950.

    Again, , , your Q is abstract, so is the luthier's idea.
    Ask him to wrap some nuances around the statement then tell him and us what exactly you're after, , , and why.


    Yes Em7 it is abstract and will continue to be as I have only limited experiences with vintage guitars. I think what my luthier was trying to say was that all of the old guitars have been found, accounted for, and a price range has already been set. Sure there may be a mint D-28 under some old grandma's mattress that hasn't been played in 70 years but aside from those lightning strikes all of the old guitars are in private collections, for sale, or being used by fine folks such as yourselves and all of the really good stuff is in Eric Clapton's collection or Stephen Still's collection, etc. The really good stuff, the kind that Vince Gill collects, either the best sounding or the guitars in the best conditions have reached a price point that reflects their desirability to a collector and as such I would have to say that, very generally, that sub $10,000 vintage guitars seem to represent the "player's guitars" in tone and condition. All of the good stuff is bringing in nothing less than five figure prices and not accessible to most players. Here's an overreaching, blanket statement: The good ones don't ever reach the showroom floor because the serious collectors are already on Ghrun's speed dial. So I am swimming in the shallow end of guitar buying. That's fine but I do wonder what the high end stuff has in the deep end of the pool. I know that if I see a guitar on George Ghrun's website that has the term "exceptionally fine sounding instrument" chances are the price begins at about $20,000 for desirable prewar dreads. So does the $10k mark really represent the threshold for the "good stuff? How much better do the exceptional guitars sound? I am trying to establish my own criteria as I search for vintage guitar. Who knows, the price tag may never meet my subjective threshold for setting my wallet on fire. I am looking for a guitar that touches my soul, that wants to say what I want it to say and I haven't found it at the price level I am shopping at. If what I am looking for doesn't exist except to be a construct in my own mind, I'd like to know that.
  4. In Topic:Okay, I think I don't like Les Pauls!

    Yesterday, 01:37 PM

    View PostMichaelT, on 15 August 2017 - 01:11 PM, said:

    A rebirth! Even better. You are HEALED-UH!! Very cool stuff.

    When I read your comment my mind created a picture of Les Paul and Mary Ford as faith healer that smack you on forehead and you fall over and wiggle on the ground filled with the "spirit"! I have seen the light and it will set me free with shoulder pain from a 10 lb. guitar! Hah!
  5. In Topic:Okay, I think I don't like Les Pauls!

    Yesterday, 01:26 PM

    View Postmerciful-evans, on 14 August 2017 - 11:15 AM, said:

    You must be very committed to sound like the source material. I know lots of players are.
    Personally, I'd just rather sound like me all the time.

    I wish you luck with the LP dilemma. I cant wrap my head around that approach though. Sorry!

    I think that is a different topic you're bringing up. Yes I have gone through my "I want to sound like SRV" phase already and am passed that as a musician. What I meant was, I couldn't find that "big, thick" LP tone and used those artists solely as a common reference to the characteristic I couldn't find. I agree that trying to sound exactly like another can be self defeating but when you don't have the experiences that other electric guitarists have then the human brain seeks out patterns. For the inexperienced, seeking out the sounds and music that touches you deeply by studying the way that artist plays can seem intuitive even if it's wrong. I agree that we all sound different and should sound different but the pathway to that understanding is found through support and a willingness to reach out, listen well, and, action to create a better understanding. So, I understand that you "cant wrap my head around that approach though" but if you could also tell me why or how you've reached that understanding, I could learn or understand better. No worries of course. I read things in my brain too. All the time.


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