brianh Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Hi all, sorry about the bad pics, I will do better after I have her cleaned up and gone through. Long story short, this bass came up on eBay last night from a pawn shop about 90 minutes from my house. It's a relatively rare late 70's Genesis, and the BIN price was right. Went up this morning to collect, and it's in better shape than I thought - all original parts still on (except missing control cavity cover) with relatively few dings and no cracks, gouges or other foolishness. The saddles are a little suspect (two are chrome and two are nickel) but the bridge and saddle screws as well as the tuners are original. The serial number seems to indicate that it was made in September 1980 and was unit number 405: Anywho, this completes my collection along with the various Genesis 6-stringers I have taken in. (There is a student model "The Genesis" shown in the 1980 price list, but I've never heard from anyone who owns one or seen a photo, so they may not have made it into production.) Family pics to follow soon. Cheers, Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearhead Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 SWEEET! Man, how do you find all those? I don't believe I've even seen a Genesis bass before! Looks like a solid unit! So how does she sound? Looks pretty much original huh? Whats the scale length on one of those? Also, I can see that you have either NOT been to your therapist or not taking your meds! LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinTheHood Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Nice score, Brian! I just found out a few weks ago that Epiphone had made a Genesis bass. I thought it was pretty cool and wondered why you didnt have one yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianh Posted January 15, 2011 Author Share Posted January 15, 2011 SWEEET! Man, how do you find all those? I don't believe I've even seen a Genesis bass before! Looks like a solid unit! So how does she sound? Looks pretty much original huh? Whats the scale length on one of those? Also, I can see that you have either NOT been to your therapist or not taking your meds! LOL! Thanks, I just scour eBay and Craigslist. I'm fortunate to have a job that puts me in front of a computer screen most days. It is extremely solid - all mahogany construction, set neck, very resonant - I have not had it plugged in yet, need to do some cleaning and tightening first. The scale length is 34". The electronics and hardware are original, two of the bridge saddles appear to be replacements. The G string is set too low, and neck may need some tweaking. My prescription ran out a few weeks ago, need to get it refilled.... Nice score, Brian! I just found out a few weks ago that Epiphone had made a Genesis bass. I thought it was pretty cool and wondered why you didnt have one yet! RTH - I've known about them for some time, even posted the model numbers and prices to the Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia....piphone_Genesis I got that info from price list reprints in Walter Carter's History of Epiphone book - the basses only appear in the 1980 price list. I'm still looking for that student-level "The Genesis" model, but not sure if they actually exist, I've never seen one anywhere. PS: From the little bit of fooling around with it I've done, it is very comfortable to play - there is a belly cut on the top back, and it's not neck heavy at all, I assume due to the counterbalancing effect of that solid mahogany body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaSTuS Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Great score Brian, the family Is gonna look fantastic with a big arse bass sitting in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggs Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Brian, You are well aware of my severe, but unlikely to ever be fulfilled in Oz, Genesis GAS. You know my 'Lust List' includes a bass with bucks. This just hurts man Nice score! EDIT: I wonder if Epi did one in 'Sparkle Blue' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jadedbat Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 So killer! Great score man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungrycat Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Didn't even know they existed. Very Cool. I'd swap that three-point bridge for the flush-mount Hipshot replacement, but that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 I bet Brian listens to the band Genesis every night before he goes to bed. Nice bass man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggs Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 I bet Brian listens to the band Genesis every night before he goes to bed. ... while reading Genesis "... & in the Beginning there was the House of Strathopoulos... & behold it was very good!" Advance apologies if I just offended anyone too much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 I almost purchased that bass, but I decided not to at the last moment...... I knew deep down I'm GASing for a the Genesis 6 stringer right now..... Hopefully I can find a custom, but they are getting harder and harder to find Congrats Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jadedbat Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 I almost purchased that bass, but I decided not to at the last moment...... I knew deep down I'm GASing for a the Genesis 6 stringer right now..... Hopefully I can find a custom, but they are getting harder and harder to find Congrats Brian :) Good to hear that means you have been doing a good job of Genesis hunting tho :) I saw it as well and was drooling. It lives where it belong now :) Brianh - How much does it weigh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianh Posted January 16, 2011 Author Share Posted January 16, 2011 Brianh - How much does it weigh? Jaded, I had all the hardware off today and forgot to weight it. I have it nearly reassembled including strings (no pots, switch jack and wiring), and it weighs 10.2 lbs. So I'd guess just shy of 10.5 lbs fully loaded. In fiddling with setup, it appears that the two low saddles (E & A) are not factory. It could also be the other way around, because the D & G saddles are nickel and the rest of the bridge is chrome. In any case, the difference forces extreme compensation on the bridge: Does anyone know if saddles like these are readily available, or would I be forced to repalce the whole bridge? I'd prefer to keep it stock, but I'd also like to make it more playable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The.Traffic.Lights Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Jaded, I had all the hardware off today and forgot to weight it. I have it nearly reassembled including strings (no pots, switch jack and wiring), and it weighs 10.2 lbs. So I'd guess just shy of 10.5 lbs fully loaded. In fiddling with setup, it appears that the two low saddles (E & A) are not factory. They make those strings noticeably higher than D & G, and force extreme compensation on that side of the bridge: Does anyone know if saddles like these are readily available, or would I be forced to repalce the whole bridge? I'd prefer to keep it stock, but I'd also like to make it more playable. Maybe working some metal off the non-original saddles could do the trick? Or is it not the option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianh Posted January 16, 2011 Author Share Posted January 16, 2011 Maybe working some metal off the non-original saddles could do the trick? Or is it not the option? It's an option, but it would take a lot of filing: The more I look at it, the more I think the D & G saddles are not original. They don't match the bridge, and they haven't oxidized similarly to the other parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The.Traffic.Lights Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 It's an option, but it would take a lot of filing: The more I look at it, the more I think the D & G saddles are not original. They don't macth the bridge, and they haven't oxidized similarly to the other parts. Looking at the picture in your previous post... Is it only me, or do the D and G NOT reach the bottom of the bridge? If that's the case, I tend to agree that they're the ones that are not original. Oh, and BTW - I love the scary way strings are fixed in the bridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearhead Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Brianh, that is pretty EXTREME! Did the adjustment screws start to bind with that bridge angle? I posted on your thread in the bass forum, but I looked at my '03 EB-0 and my tailpiece is different than yours. Mine is flat and yours is arched! Better keep that in mind as you look for parts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianh Posted January 17, 2011 Author Share Posted January 17, 2011 Looking at the picture in your previous post... Is it only me, or do the D and G NOT reach the bottom of the bridge? If that's the case, I tend to agree that they're the ones that are not original. Oh, and BTW - I love the scary way strings are fixed in the bridge The D & G clear the bridge well enough, but maybe only 1/32", not enough to matter (I think). The ball ends are locked in tighter than it looks, it's a bit of an illusion. Brianh, that is pretty EXTREME! Did the adjustment screws start to bind with that bridge angle? No, I have everything lubed up pretty good though, I see that this 3-point bridge is fairly common, same as used on the Gibson Ripper bass exact replacements are $75, And 2-point replacements will all kinds of adjustment a little over $100: H-Cat, is this the one you meant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearhead Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Here's what mine looks like. Yours looked to have more of an arch, maybe just the pic? Sorry the photos aren't very good, using my cell phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianh Posted January 17, 2011 Author Share Posted January 17, 2011 Gearhead, is the fretboard on your EB-0 flat? The Genesis has a slightly rounded fretboard, although the bridge seems to be more acrhed than necessary. Im thinking that perhaps the Geni bass received a bad copy of the 3-point EB-O bridge. There's no imprint underneath, so it may be a bad Asian knock-off that needs to be replaced with the real deal. Or that 2-point Hipshot Supertone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearhead Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 No, my fretboard is arched, but the tailpiece is barely arched. In fact I'd say the strings are almost flat at the bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianh Posted January 17, 2011 Author Share Posted January 17, 2011 Thanks. Any recs on strings for this thing? The pawn shop put new roundwounds on, but I'm thinking flatwounds or something really nice although Sadowsky's might be overkill. I know next to nothing about bass strings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungrycat Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 H-Cat, is this the one you meant? Yes. I thought they used to have a little pin that went into the front point, but it's been a couple of years since I've seen one in person. See my full comment on them in the bass forum. (I responded there before I got here...) http://forum.gibson.com/index.php?/topic/61779-1980-genesis-bass/#entry838382 As far as strings go, I like roundwounds. I would only use flats for jazz. You can make roundwoulds sound like flats with some amp tweaking and EQing, but you can't make flats sound like roundwounds. You should probably try both, as the feel between the two are quite different. I (as always) recommend Rotosound brand, they have several sets of flats, in addition to their line of roundwounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianh Posted January 17, 2011 Author Share Posted January 17, 2011 Thanks, Hcat, gearhead found some exact replacement saddles from All Parts and I have them on order. If I'm not happy with that solution, I'll go ahead and get the Hipshot SuperTone. Rotosounds it is - any particular gauge you recommend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungrycat Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Thanks, Hcat, gearhead found some exact replacement saddles from All Parts and I have them on order. If I'm not happy with that solution, I'll go ahead and get the Hipshot SuperTone. Rotosounds it is - any particular gauge you recommend? .45,.65,.85,1.05 is "standard" for bass. I like a little bit lighter gauge for slap-style, but that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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