tsol Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 hi what is the difference , besides the design, between the Grover and Gibson Deluxe "Tulip" tuners ? does it affect anything in particular? and is there anything wrong with the Tulip tuners? i noticed all the expensive and "custom" recent gibson guitars comes with Grovers tia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaresz Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 I actually prefer the tulip tuners myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plank_Spanker Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Grover tuners are a benchmark brand - and a great selling point for guitars equipped with them. That said, I've never had a problem with the stock Gibson tuners. Not all of the "expensive" Gibsons ship with Grovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flight959 Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 I think its a matter of taste... I prefer the tulip tuners...I think they look more traditional.. As for difference in sound I wouldn't thought they make any difference.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundergod Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 +1 to all of you guys... I like the tulip tuners better... they look more in tune with a les paul... I dont like 6 little kidneys in the headstock of my guitar... maybe thats where line 6 got the idea of the kidney in the first place... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Many of the "vintage" tuners on new Gibsons are made by Grover. All the new ones are 14:1 ratio regardless which way you go. My favorite tuner - bar none - is the Grover Rotomatic. They are heavier than all the rest, very tough, very well made. The "vintage" style Grovers are made alot lighter and I've still seen a few come apart. They are better than the originals, the 14:1 ratio makes them function fine. I have them on my Custom Shop double neck, SG 61, LP Deluxe and SG 12 string. They came on my LP Classic, but after I bought my ES-335 with Rotomatics I put them on the LP too. Part of it is tactile, part of it is cosmetic. I like the way Grovers feel, especially the kidney bean knob, but I think the tulip style looks more classy. The plastic tuners just look cheapo cheesy to me. Grover makes a mini-Roto that is 18:1 ratio for twelve strings and such. I was gonna put 'em on my double neck but the vintage ones work fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobv Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Note also that there are two styles of "vintage" tulip tuners. Production line guitars have bolt-bushings but the Historic Reissues have press-fit bushings like the old days. There's a subtle change to the appearance of the headstock. I'm not sure what the technological advance of the bolt bushing was supposed to accomplish, but you have to think it holds the tuner body on more tightly (as long as the bolts stay tight). More mass will affect the tone - not enough to notice as a single factor, but cumulative effects of different things here and there on the guitar can make a difference. Many many players swapped their original Klusons for Grovers in the Seventies, and now there's a tremendous economic incentive to rush around looking for the original tuners to restore them to "original" condition because of the effect that modifications have on vintage value. I naively thought that Grovers were my favorite tuners, until I started reading guitar bulletin boards. Silly me, basing my preference on things like smooth function and reliability, as if it was important for a tuner to be able to adjust the pitch of the string! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tepidy Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Hi all the tuners that gibson USA uses are really good. I prefer Grover rotomatic. They are truely bulletproof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolff Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 As far as appearance goes, I think the 'greenkey' Tulip style is an important part of the looks of a Les Paul. I love that traditional style and never had any tuning problems although they feel a bit fragile(but aren't). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundergod Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 As far as appearance goes' date=' I think the 'greenkey' Tulip style is an important part of the looks of a Les Paul. [/quote'] +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedaykin98 Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 As far as appearance goes' date=' I think the 'greenkey' Tulip style is an important part of the looks of a Les Paul.[/quote'] Bigtime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobv Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 Anybody remember the metal tulip keys with the little flip out crank handles? I think they date to the introduction of the Lucille and the TP6 fine tuning tailpiece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MI_Canuck Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 I prefer the tulip/green key tuners as well - seems to match well with the Gibson headstock shape. My SG has them and I have no intention to change them... Are the tulips essentially Kluson tuners? Or just based on Kluson look but made by Gibson? cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreedomStain Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 I go for the Grovers because they'll never break in the misfortune of a drop. More importaintly they feel so smooth and precise. They are my favorite of the two hands down. However, I don't plan on putting grovers on my '06. The other tuners do fine for me, but the Grovers feel like an extra luxury, when I want to spoil myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichCI Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 I like Grovers. My LP is around 17 years old and I've never had a problem. They turn very smoothly and feel precise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickey Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 The tulips on my '61 SG are by far the best tuners I have ever used. They look beautiful, are precise, and have no slop as compared to the Grover Rotomatics I have on 2 of my 3 pedal steel guitars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickey Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 I like the really old style of tulips;does anyone remember when they had the double collar below the "tulip" instead of the single on they have been making for about 30 or so years now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonehamman Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Hi Guys! This is a bit of a longshot but I have a mid 70s 175. The guitar has metal tulip button tuners. On the rear cover they have the word Gibson down the middle, the 'G' of Gibson drops down from the 'G' in 'ORIGINAL' that runs across the top edge of the cover. Under the cover there is a 'Made in Germany' on the actual tuner. I actually need a matching top 'E' tuner cos I only have five!!! Some character replaced it with a green tulip button!!! Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bram Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 I really like Grover tuners; very smooth and precise indeed. They came stock on my 1988 Les Paul Standard and I've never had any (tuning) issues with them. I just prefer them over the stock Tulips on my Standard Faded and Les Paul Studio. I don't like to drill holes into a Les Paul, so I leave the guitars stock........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarmann199 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 grovers hands down, they stay in tune great, i have the ones that look like gibson tuners but theyre silver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundergod Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 does it affect anything in particular? and is there anything wrong with the Tulip tuners? No' date=' they are just tuners and both are good. Some people will say Klusons do not tune as acurately or break or whatever, but that's bullsh|t. Both are good. And I really think it comes down to what you like more, I like how Klusons look with bursts and goldtops, and how grovers look with "solid" finishes (if that's a propper word for finishes of one solid color, like the black custom). i noticed all the expensive and "custom" recent gibson guitars comes with Grovers tia Epiphones also come with grovers... And of course there are expensive gibsons that come with the other (tulip) tuners: reissues and some special editions. I actually prefer the tulip tuners myself. :D Me too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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