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  1. Thanks CJB... Forget the LG1.... Now, the ladder braced to read about next.... Bill Collings based the Waterloo WL-14 Ladder Braced on the Kalamazoo KG-14, a ladder braced cheapie version of the Gibson L-00 put out in the great Depression. There is conjecture that Robert Johnson's most famous recordings were played on a Kalamazoo KG-14. Other guitars he may have played include Gibson L-0 and Gibson archtop, Stellas. One thing I read said that not only could he play the thing but he was also great at setting up and fixing guitars. But his younger sister recently said he was just a 'nasty boy' sometimes.... KG-14....maybe harder to find in good condition that the LG1: https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/Kalamazoo_KG_14 BluesKing777.
  2. Here is a track I just recorded playing my ladder braced Waterloo WL-14L..... Made for it! (My poor old 52 LG1 would need thousand spent to sound/play anything like this!......neck set, fret job, cracks repaired, new tuners, new top, lots of glue!) BluesKing777.
  3. Is that you, Goto? 😁 My opinion, sorry Gibson fans - the Waterloo is in another league to an old LG1. The Waterloo ladder braced is designed to sound like a 30s guitar but with a key difference - Bill Collings design and playability. If I was playing at the blues club tonight and my choices in my rack were my 2014 Waterloo WL-14 Ladder Braced or my 1952 Gibson LG1, sorry, no contest - Waterloo. 1 3/4" nut, 2 3/8" bridge spacing, large V neck, incredible ladder braced tone. The LG1 is 1 11/16" nut - Jeff's above from 1966 are 1 5/8" inch nuts? If I had 2000 bucks to buy either, no contest either. Like I said in the other thread, if you must have the 'Gibson' thing, save up for AT LEAST an LG2 or 3 from the mid 50s. (still 1 11/16" nut though)...... I want to go play my ladder braced Waterloo instead of typing this. P.S. If I was really playing at the blues club tonight, not until they figure out how people can sing in a mask, I would take the "Weapon", my custom black finish Maton EBG808 fingerpicking live giggin' machine with the incredible Maton AP5-Pro dual source pickup system! It is like a deep body LG3 with wider neck, nut.....killer! See Tommy Emmanuel - mine is similar to his guitar only black and no sigs. BluesKing777.
  4. I guess it all comes back to getting a guitar to try, otherwise it is all talk. I know fairly well straight away if I play one. Maybe have a look for a used one that has a 'Return' policy... get it delivered - you can play it - and send it back like everyone else seems to do. ) Retrofret says return within 2 days of delivery - you don't get long! Or save your coins until you have enough for a negotiation with an owner. BluesKing777.
  5. It is based on my own experience of buying a cheapie LG1 that is firewood.... Go for something straight with some comeback if you want to return it, is all I am saying - bargains are slim on the ground but there are plenty of weird offerings... Alarm bells ...LG1...pickguard peculiar...what else? BluesKing777.
  6. Well, go for a mid 50s Gibson LG3 if you want old wood...or 30s L-00, but LG1.....? Honest, mine is in a closet in a rack of other guitars and I was going to drag it out last night, but thought......(swear words). If you want to try your guitar repair skills, try a cheapie junker first, leave the poor old Gibsons be. I have a photo of my 1959 LG3 to post but Imgur is down. Edit - Imgur still down - everyone must be posting guitar photos!😤 Here is a Reverb listing...I said LG3 because you already have the LG2 and the paint job...save up and get something like this.... https://reverb.com/item/37685197-1957-gibson-lg-3-vintage-acoustic-guitar-x-braced-natural-w-case-lg-2 Edit..Imgur back up! Here is my 59 LG3..wouldn't you prefer to own something like this? Great guitar! (I'll blame the camera - it doesn't show the checking and wear marks) BluesKing777.
  7. You will have to be quick if that 'player' guitar comes up - the rest of the forum could run you over..... I would look at a good real LG2 or LG3 1950s, cost way more but that says something...??? (The LG1 were cheapies and considered student models and have mostly been junked). Bargains are slim on the ground! And Jedzep or Zombie probably get them first! Less money than a vintage LG2/3 with 1 11/16" nut and we are back at.....nowhere. In a few years time and you throw your old junker on the bonfire, you will think back to what poor old BK777 said about the Martin CEO7 (early models with nicer wood!) and how that would make a great companion guitar to your new LG2 and Waterloo mahogany top! Mine is incredible after a great setup.... Check out the comments on this sale - may have said the same thing!: https://reverb.com/item/36118313-martin-ceo-7-2013-180 Some videos....plenty of other CEO7 videos but I think these sound about right. Fingerpicking: Strumming: BluesKing777.
  8. It is pretty unlikely to get a bargain with vintage Gibsons - you get what you pay for. If you insist on getting an LG1, pay the dollars and get something like this nice one in Retrofret: https://reverb.com/item/34466308-gibson-lg-1-flat-top-acoustic-guitar-1951-ser-9090-18-black-tolex-hard-shell-case BluesKing777.
  9. I break it down in to two sounds - 'dry' and 'wet'.... My old guitars sound 'dry' and the new Gibsons sound 'wet' (And Martins). I keep raving about my Waterloo WL-14s because somehow they have managed to capture the 'dry' sound of my old L-00! So the question is - how do they get the 'dry' old sound? The Waterloos aren't torrefied. Is it the matt finish? Bracing? Is it the gloss finish that makes new guitars 'wet'? How do you get the 'wet' sound if you want it? BluesKing777.
  10. Here is Tommy E playing his Maton Custom Shop 808 - amazing playing on an amazing little guitar and proof of everything I have ever said about Maton 808 size guitars! BluesKing777.
  11. Which brings us back to Waterloos and modern creations to get a 1 3/4" nut and nice spacings..... (your LG2 is a 'modern creation'). Do you have a budget? The 1 3/4" LG2 BANNERS are few and far between and probably $10K, more... The 50s models are 1 11/16" nut - my workaround is to put a capo on 3-4 to give me more space across, but then we get less room along.... Here is the book you could buy with some answers: https://www.amazon.com/Gibsons-Fabulous-Flat-Top-Guitars-Illustrated/dp/0879309628 BluesKing777.
  12. It is probably too big an overall question, CJ....., just massive. Perhaps start with just the LG1? Get a few pages and then try the others in another thread? There are not a lot of small body players here, so...me. 50s models are the best to me, chunky neck, but it is still a 1 11/16” nut. Ladder braced, great for slide and vocal type guitar sounds. Mine (52) arrived from eBay, last time I did that, in a guitar bag with a broken zipper and the neck sticking out the top.....splits and cracks and a huge bow in the neck.....Fleeced, eh? Ripped off and from somebody near your place, true! I put it in Open D and it is committed to a life of slide. (Still) I doubt anyone else would ever buy it, so next stop, firewood probably. Unplayable and not worth the cost of repairs. BluesKing777.
  13. The most underrated and not even mentioned in this Zombie thread from Wily in 2013 is the most road ready fingerpicker warrior on the planet - the Maton EBG808 with the sensational Maton AP5-Pro pickup system, an 00 sized beast similar to a LG but ready to plug in anywhere and sound incredible! I have 3 of the 808 models - a budget SRS808 I bought first, a mid range custom black finish EBG808 (like TE's models only black and no kangaroo or signature inlays) and the top of the line Maton Messiah 808 - AAA rosewood and sitka with wood binding and the best of the factory line. Artisan Guitars in Nashville sell a bucketload of them these days and make some great videos... first is one with the TE Maton models - non cutaway, then a cutaway and then the full Custom Shop 'Personal' model: And 2 incredible (full gloss) Messiah 808s and a Messiah Jumbo!: Next, the budget model SRS808 like my first Maton and some creeping up the range - give me the Artist please!: BluesKing777.
  14. Why fly when you can ride a Hummingbird! 😎 https://www.hummingbirdbike.com/shop-1/electric-bike BluesKing777.
  15. That is also why I keep on about Waterloo WL-14s....great sound and neck shapes etc... readily available. Speaking of neck shapes, CJB should have a look at the Lowdens at Dream Guitars if he visits...oops, looks like some one is buying it but anyway look at the neck pics: https://www.dreamguitars.com/shop/2009-lowden-f35c-pb-honduran-rosewood-adirondack-spruce-16715.html For fingerstyle, the Lowdens have the neck in the bag! 5 piece reinforced necks for low tunings! Yesterday, I was playing the Lowden S35 I picked up in a pawn shop a few years ago, ha ha ha ha - the previous owner must be divorced, getting divorced or dead. But anyway, I start slow in the morning on a few pseudo classical fingerpicks, worked my way through a few famous tunes and finished with a few downhome blues....all covered beautifully by the Lowden.....exactly why steam comes out my ears when people say the guitar is 'too fancy' for blues. Great sound and playability is great sound and playability! I then grabbed my recent model (2015) O22 for a few thundering DADGADS and wound down the proceedings trying to play some simple sheet music country tune melodies from the page - on the Lowden in DADGAD! It was easier to do than look up info on the internet, let me tell you. Anyway, check out the back of my Lowden O22 neck! - a big fat weapon of a neck: P.S. - I said Lowden because that is one of the few names I know from the list of guitars on the Dream Guitars website....they have lots of hand made custom guitars.... BluesKing777.
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