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  1. If you can determine that 006176 is the actual serial# you can be sure it's a '67. While it's true that Gibson serial#'s were all over the place in the '60's, the ones starting with 00.... were only used in '67 according to my go to source, Gibson Electric Serialization from the 11th Edition Blue Book of Electric Guitars. Your back of the headstock pic seems to show two zeros. If that is the case you don't even need the rest os the number to be sure it's a '67. For my 335, the serial# could have been from '66 or '69. I thought it was a '66 but someone else told me they thought it was a '69. I had to pull a pot to get the date code and the pot dated to late '68, making mine a '69. A head's up on nylon saddle bridge; I do a lot of string bending in my lead playing and the nylon saddles are an issue at times. If I bend too much a string will pop right out of the saddle which isn't a big deal as long as you're not in the middle of a song. I've never had this happen with metal saddles. 70's T-tops are fine pickups. Actual 60's pickups will be very expensive and will likely not change your tone all that much to justify the cost. If you do want the correct pickups they should Patent No. black stickers on the back, not stamped Pat No. I had a 2008 Custom Shop Larry Carlton ES-335 when I got my '69. The Custom Shop model is a reissue of Larry's '68 which he modded to a stop tail. It's amazing how much alike the 2 guitars are. Same neck profile and weight and when plugged into a tube amp the tones were nearly the same. The 2008 has 57 Classic pickups.
  2. Hello tremolo68, I have a '69 ES-335TD. The front of your headstock looks the same. The logo font was used from '66-69. The serial# you give is in the '67 range if it's really the guitar's serial#. Grover tuning pegs were not std issue in '67 but lots of folks changed out the stock Klusons back then because of intonation issues. 70's ES-335's would not have the narrow nut and there would be a volute on the back of the headstock. Also the orange sticker in the f-hole would rule out a 70's body. My guess is that it is a '67 that had the pots, pickups, bridge, trapeze and tuners swapped out, maybe when it was refinished. So how much of a '67 is it still?
  3. I had a couple of Custom Shop Gibsons from 2003-2004 that I got at an auction and didn't know much about. I sent a pic of the front and back of the headstock along with the serial number to Gibson Customer Service. They told me what they were and that they were ordered by Fuller's in Houston. Not sure if they were ordered for a customer or on spec but back then the Custom Shop would make a guitar with specific features, not necessarily Historic or Reissue, whatever the customer wanted. Ten years ago Customer Service was very helpful. Not so sure nowadays. If they used an R8 body there should be markings as such inside the pickup cavity in the body. Also there should be vintage-style bumble bee capacitors in the wiring harness.
  4. I had a 1997 LP Elegant (Custom Shop) that did not have a COA. I also had a 2000 LP Custom Shop one-off LP that did have a COA. So sometime between '98 and 2000 they started but I haven't heard of any before 2000.
  5. Hi Chris, My go to source for serial# dating is Gibson Electric Serialization taken from the 11th Edition Blue Book of Electric Guitars. It is much more accurate than other sources out there like guitar dater project. Your serial number points to a 1969 date which is lucky since a lot of serial numbers in the 60's were used in multiple years. When I got my vintage ES-335 the serial number corresponded to either 1966 or 1969. The pot closest to the f-hole had oxidation on the back obscuring the ability to see the number with an inspection mirror. I had to remove the pot by tying a string to the shaft, unbolting the nut and removing the pot through the f-hole. I cleaned up the backside enough to read the date code which was late 1968, making my 335 a definitive 1969, not a '66 as I was hoping, since older is usually always more valuable. Then I used the string to get the pot pulled back into its proper hole. Good luck with your quest, JO'C
  6. Years ago I was in the car with public radio on Prairie Home Companion and Garrison Keillor did Dylan's Don't Think Twice it's Alright. He changed the third verse from: Sittin' and a wondering' walking down the road. I once loved a woman, a child I'm told. I gave her my heart but she wanted my soul, Don't think twice, it's alright. To: I once loved a woman, it was you I'm told. I know I'm hard to handle, now that I am old. Don't think twice it's alright. I liked it so much it's now a staple of my solo acoustic sets and is a hit with the older crowd with the hints of dementia/memory loss.
  7. Custom Art and Historic is what Custom Shop cases say on them from mid '90's to 2000's. Also the COA if you have it will also have the Custom Art and Historic logo. I had several Custom Shop guitars with these cases; the oldest being a 1997 and the newest being a 2005. I'm not sure which year they switched but I had two Custom Shop 2008's that had different case labeling that just said Gibson Custom. If you email Gibson Customer Service with the serial number and a pic of the front and back of the headstock, they should get back to you with verification. I agree that it should be played but keep in mind that it is a very valuable guitar. I've sold 4 Custom shop collector quality LP's from this era in the $4-5K range. I don't think I'd gig with it but if I did I'd make sure it never left my sight. I would keep it strapped on my back even going to the mens room. A cramped stage area or one too close to the dance floor could also be a recipe for disaster. My player guitars have a few battle scars that I don't mind but even the smallest nick on a mint guitar can knock $500-1000 off the value. If it has gold plated hardware keep in mind that the coating is also very fragile. Even cleaning it can remove the gold. That said I have a 2004 CS-336 with gold hardware that is still perfect and I play it all the time, but only in the house. Enjoy!!!
  8. I last played this at the last gig I had, 2019 Halloween Party at a Chinese restaurant. I play bass on it so not much fun for me. I'm partial to this version by the Ventures: The younger looking skinny guy with the red Strat is Peter Framptom.
  9. Mine is the headstock of the coolest guitar I ever owned: 2000 Custom Shop Custom order one of two commissioned by the Peace Frog Clothing Co. I picked it up at a Collector Auction nearly 10 years ago. It took about 4 years for the owner (a collector in Italy) of the other one to find me and after a few months of back and forth I sold it to him. It has a 50's chunky baseball bat type neck that was too big for me to bond with. Otherwise a fabulous guitar and a work of art. I decided to keep the avatar since it is unique, even though I no longer own it or the other 5 LP's I had. Like Rabs I'm happy with a lovely CS-336 along with my 1969 ES-335, my only remaining Gibsons.
  10. Hi Marktwine, The D is part of the DP which means dual pickup. This does to way back when Gibson made Electric Spanish guitars with one or two pickups; 1950's back. The CH is for cherry finish. The NH is for nickel hardware. I'm not positive but I think the 1 is for solid color finish. I used to have a 335 that I think had a 2 at the end and it was a sunburst finish. I hope this helps.
  11. Hi Bridgen41, Welcome to the forum. According to the 11th Edition Blue Book of Electric Guitars, Gibson Serialization what you have is a Historic Reissue but... according the the decoding it should be a '64 reissue that was made in 2003. Maybe they got the 3 and 4 mixed up on the serial number since it is listed as a '63-335 but also hand written, so human error might be involved. An original 1963 would have a six digit serial number with no A to start. An A or B at the start indicates a historic reissue ES series. The first number after the A should be the last number of the reissue year. The next number should be the last number of the production year and the last three numbers indicate the production number. So, if I didn't see the label it would decode as a '64 reissue made in 2003. If they got the 3 and 4 reversed it would be a '63 reissue made in 2004. The case is proper for either of those years. I've had a few Custom Shop guitars with that style case ranging from 1997 to 2005. I also had some 2008 Custom Shop guitars with different cases. Not sure when they switched. What city does it say at the bottom of the orange label? That would be a good clue. I have a 1969 ES-335 that says Kalamazoo, MI. I had a 2008 Custom Shop Larry Carlton ES-335 that says Memphis, TN. In 2003 or 2004 it would likely say Nashville, TN. Gibson opened the Memphis factory and moved ES production there around 2006, if I remember correctly. I sold my Larry Carlton a couple of years ago for $3500 but it was in perfect, collector quality condition. Yours looks like it was stored for a long time in a very humid environment. You should try to clean up or replace the oxidized hardware ASAP or it will likely get worse. The rusted screws likely will not clean up and will need to be replaced. The stop tail, bridge, pickup covers and tuning pegs are likely nickel plated. These should clean up nicely with Simichrome All-Metal polish. Not sure about Japan but Amazon sells a tube for about $10. All that said, if it plays and sounds good, that's all that really matters. If the hardware cleans up good, you probably got a decent deal, especially in Japan. Good luck, JO'C
  12. Hi Maller, Here's a pic of my 2004 Custom order one off CS-336, S/N CS418XX: It is Tangerine Burst Quilt so very similar to the one you are looking at only more orange than the redder Cherry Burst. Photos don't do the top justice. It looks much better in real life with a deep 3D effect. It is also the best Gibson I've owned by far and I've had 5 Les Pauls (4 of them Custom Shop), 3 ES-335's, Explorer, Firebird and a Johnny A. Tone wise and playability it nicely bridges the gap between a Les Paul and a 335. Custom ordered upgrades (quilt top, ebony fretboard and gold hardware) make it nearly a CS-356 but with pearloid dot fret markers. At 17 years old it has held up wonderfully, including the gold hardware. The Custom Shop craftsmanship is impeccable. Good luck with your decision, JO'C
  13. I'm by no means an expert but... I had a 1997 Custom Shop Les Paul Elegant and Gibson confirmed that there were no COA's issued that year. I had a 2000 Custom Shop LP that did have a COA. So maybe 1998 did not either. Gibson customer service is helpful but you'll need to email pics of the front and back of the headstock along with the serial number to get them to be responsive.
  14. Yeah, I had a '66 ES-335 12 string and it also had nylon saddles.
  15. All I can say is WOW!!! Amazing talent. Bonamassa might be on top but it's nice to see older guys like Popa Chubby and Walter Trout give him a run for the money. Not to mention Tommy Emanuel on the acoustic side.
  16. My go to source Gibson Electric Serialization from the 11th Edition Blue Bool of Electric Guitars also puts it as a '68. I have a '69 that could be its twin; exact same finish and headstock. My serial# could have been '66 or '69 so I removed a pot to verify and that dated to late '68, ruling out '66. Tuners have been replaced. Originals would have been tulip style Klusons. The pickups, if original should have Patent# stickers on the back. The original bridge would have had nylon saddles. Looks like a nice project as long as the neck is straight or can be straightened. Good luck!
  17. Hi Maller, I'll give my 2 cents worth of experience. Nearly 10 years ago I bought 18 guitars at a collector auction. All the guitars were case queens, in perfect condition, never played. Along with 5 Les Pauls, 5 Strats and singles of a few others, I got a 2003 Johnny A., S/N 024 from the first mfg run and a 2004 Custom one-off CS-336. Long story short I kept the 336 as the "one" I bonded with. I really wanted to like the Johnny A since it had the longer Fender scale length and I was a big time Strat guy for most of my playing time. However the neck was nothing like a Fender or a Gibson and I just couldn't bond with it. I do have small hands and prefer 60's style necks to thicker 50's style. The 336 felt and played just like a Les Paul with much better upper fret access and lots lighter. The smaller body makes it much better for me than a 335, which I had 2 of. I loved the looks, tone and craftsmanship of the Johnny A. but couldn't get used to the neck. Plus since it was such a low S/N with a unique one-off quilt top I was able to get an excellent return on my investment. My advice would be to try one before buying, especially if you are used to playing Gibsons. The signature model was the only one produced for many years until they got priced so high they released the Std to have a less expensive version of the same model. The Signature model has much fancier inlays and an ebony fretboard. I'm not sure what else they did to make it less expensive. Both the Johnny A. and the CS-336 are very well made guitars, examples of the Custom Shop at its best. Good luck with your quest, JO'C
  18. Hello Alicat, It is likely between '71 and '74 when walnut tops were popular. the purple, black and white sticker started in late '70/early '71. The best way to know for sure is to get a date code from one of the pots. A small inspection mirror through the f-hole and a flashlight might make the code readable. I have a '69 335 which by the serial# could have been either '66 or '69. The date code on one of the pots corresponded to '68 which eliminated the possibility of '66. Unfortunately for you the early '70's had no definitive serial number scheme. They were all over the place.
  19. I would say yes on the nitro. I had a limited edition 1 of 350 made John Lennon J160-E made in Bozeman and it definitely has a nitro finish. I've owned many Custom Shop Gibsons and nitro is the std finish.
  20. Just give me something I can hold onto To believe in this living is just a hard way to go. Written 50 years ago and never truer than now. I saw Bonnie do Angel from Montgomery with James Taylor at Fenway Park several years ago. It was so good I nearly cried. When I listened to LaBomba's post I did. I have that recording on a Bonnie Raitt Collection double CD somewhere and it brought back fond memories of a great song performed by two great artists that were also great friends. I saw Bonnie interviewed by Anderson Cooper last night and she gave a great tribute to John. I'll be adding Angel from Montgomery back to my solo acoustic set list and after last week I vowed to learn the great Bill Whithers songs. We could all use somebody to lean on these days.
  21. Just to add to the confusion, I had a 2008 Larry Carlton signature ES-335. It has a CSxxxxx serial number, Custom Shop case, Gibson Custom COA and was made in Memphis. Later versions of the same model, 2010 on I think, have an MExxxxx serial number, ME meaning Memphis. Never got to compare a newer one to see if they were the same. The Warren Haynes model went through the same thing. I have no idea whether there was a separate custom shop in Memphis for a period of time. That said, my Larry Carlton was impeccably made and comparable to other Gibson Custom Shop guitars I've owned. I have a CS-336 and had a Johnny A, several LP's and a Firebird and all were Nashville Custom Shop.
  22. I checked your serial# with the Gibson Electric Serialization chapter in the 11th Edition Blue Book of Electric Guitars and it is in the same range as mine, so it could be '66 or '69. The Blue Book is the gold std for Gibson serial#'s and is totally accurate unlike the Guitar Dater Project which is usually totally wrong. You may want to ask the shop if they can use an inspection mirror to read the #'s on one of the pots in order to get a date code. On mine there was a blob of solder blocking out the # on the pot closest to the f-hole so I had to remove a pot to get a good look at the number. This can be easily done if you tie a string around the shaft of the pot before removing the nut. Then you can pull it over to the f-hole for a good look and then you can pull the string to get the shaft back into its proper position. Without the string it can be a nightmare getting the pot back into its hole.
  23. Hi Moose, Great score!! I have a '69 that looks nearly the same except my sunburst is lighter and doesn't go to black. My S/N is 833616 so I'm guessing yours is from around the same time. The problem is that Gibson did some funky things with serial #'s back then. I have a publication at home that gives detailed dates of Gibsons based on serial #'s. Mine fell into a category that could either be '66 or '69. I had to get a date code off one of the pots which turned out to be from '68 so that ruled out '66. Sometime in '66 Gibson changed the nut width from 1 11/16" to 1 9/16". The narrower nut width was used into '69. If it is a '66 with 1 11/16" nut width it will be worth considerably more. A lot of people favor the wider nut width. If it's a '69 $5K might be a stretch. If it's a '66 with a wider nut, $5K will be on the low end of value.
  24. You're welcome. I used to be more active on the site when I had 30+ guitars. I sold off a bunch and now have a more reasonable number, <10 and only a couple of Gibsons, so I usually only look at this once a week or so to see if anything interesting pops up.
  25. Hi Billroy, I have a '69 ES-335 and I had a '66 ES-335-12. Both have Pat No. sticker humbuckers which I know to be original, not T-tops. I have a T-top lying around and it has a stamped Pat No., not sticker. T-tops are more like early 70's so spending $800 for a set would not get you to authentic. Unfortunately Pat No. sticker humbuckers will cost a lot more than $800. That said I also have modern Gibsons with '57 Classics, including a 2008 Larry Carlton Custom Shop ES-335, which is based on a 1968. Tone-wise I can't tell the difference between the '69 and the '08. This is the correct pickup: https://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff379/JOC1021/NJ Auction April 2016/DSC_0947_zpstnyxblmk.jpg Good luck with your project, JO'C
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