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1 hour ago, Lord Summerisle said:
That's not very nice...
And neither was your comment about caskets. And that's not the only one you've made like that. Some people like to dish it out, but they can't take it. People have said really nasty things to me and others here and when we fight back you cry foul. Toughen up.
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8 minutes ago, ghost_of_fl said:
As someone who is apparently a medical professional, I'm sure you are aware they could end up with a combination of 2 or more medications that actually get the job done. Like "take a shot of this remdesivir, then take this nasal inhaler of 'drug b' along with some zinc". But they can't do that if they don't approve things that work when they become available. Can't make a very good case for waiting for something better at this time.
Nothing you just said has anything to do with anything I've said about remdesivr. Nothing is stopping anyone from doing combination drug studies regardless of what this study shows. I also never said anyone should wait for something better. All I pointed out was the actual results of the study. The rest is just you making stuff up.
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2 minutes ago, zigzag said:
I appreciate all sides of the issue. The one problem I have with the opening of non-essential businesses is the power of an employer to demand its employees work in a high risk, unsafe environment or face termination. Where is the power of the people in that?
I completely understand that. For anyone who is older and/or with underlying illness it's not a good choice to have to make. Maybe they will have to make a choice not to work. Right now there are many people who don't have a choice, they are being forced not to work.
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I'm just trying to make it clear what the drug actually does and doesn't do. It has nothing to do with how I feel. If you don't understand that I would be more impressed by a drug that actually reduced mortality, then I don't know what to say.
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Just to be clear on Remdesivir, the best available study so far shows a small, but statistically significant, benefit in recovery time but not mortality.
The raw data did show a reduction of mortality from 11% to 8% but when subjected to statistical analysis it was not significant. In other words, no clear benefit.
What that means from a practical standpoint is that the people who were going to recover anyway recovered a little faster and the ones who were going to die anyway still died.
Not so great.
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The people are going to open the country, not the governors. Puts a smile on my face.
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Virtual visits for health care have been around for a while but not really mainstream and really underutilized. Because of the pandemic we are seeing much more of that. There are a lot of things like chronic disease management which makes up a huge chunk of doctor visits could be done virtually. Sick visits should mostly still be in person. Hopefully it will continue and even grow. It would be better for everyone I think. It should be faster, easier, and less expensive. It would also allow for doctors to see more patients and since we have a shortage of doctors that would certainly help.
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That's great.
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Look at the graph of daily deaths from Sweden. There are lots of spikes but the trend suggests that they probably peaked about 10 days ago and are coming down. And the absolute numbers are small.
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6 minutes ago, ghost_of_fl said:
Seeing a spike in California and Pennsylvania deaths (see graphs):
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/coronavirus-deaths-united-states-each-day-2020-n1177936
You keep going for the shiny object. Spikes don't matter, trends matter. Spikes can be caused by all kinds of things. Also, since deaths are a lagging indicator those deaths came from infections that started weeks ago. Also, both of those states have shelter in place orders. Are they working? Blanket shelter in place orders have never been done for something like this. It's not proven science. The science is quarantine the sick and protect the vulnerable. The problem is that since there are so many asymptomatic and minimally symptomatic people you can't really quarantine them all because you don't know who they are and there are too many of them. Then, If you make everyone stay home, now you are clustering people inside small spaces where it is the ideal situation to spread the virus. I just don't see any of it working very well.
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On 4/29/2020 at 4:58 AM, saturn said:
Paul has either taken great care of himself or has some good genes. Probably both. He still looks and sounds incredible.
He was 68 at the time of that show. He does look well preserved. I think he looks a lot like Chuck Norris. I remember reading somewhere that he trained in JKA Karate. Now I can only find some vague references to that on the internet so I'm not sure if it's true or not.
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4 hours ago, ghost_of_fl said:
That's why I listen to the foremost expert on the subject
The one who has been proven wrong many, many times. That one.
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Me belittling and bulling people who disagree with me? What are you smoking man? I'm the one who has disagreed with the "mainstream" and the angry bullying has been directed toward me for doing so. Whether you want to admit it or not, people here have been very angry and bitter towards me about this.
He mentioned that he worked in health care in an attempt to give himself added credibility in this discussion. He brought it up, not me. I don't think he has any background in medicine or science. That is being deceptive. That is a lie.
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Went out to Wilco today and got some supplies. Herbicides, plants for the garden, some fittings I needed for my sprayer. Also stopped at my "water pump" shop and got 20 bags of salt. Then hit the post office.
Everything seemed more normal than not. Everyone social distanced (I was social distancing before social distancing was cool). But, people circulated freely. People are getting it. We'll be done with this soon.
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1 hour ago, ghost_of_fl said:
Nobody shut down the economy.
Our businesses are our economy. Money is our economy. When the government shuts down our businesses and interrupts peoples income, and their own income from tax revenue that shuts down the economy.
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1 hour ago, ghost_of_fl said:
Nobody shut down the economy. You're probably just not happy because your stocks took a hit. With any situation like this, some companies take a hit while other thrive.
And I don't think you understand the scope of that problem. My school district has 8000+ students. A LOT of them are crammed into houses with their entire extended family. And that's just one district. It's not as simple as you seem to think.
RE: Shutting down the economy
Markets went into a free fall starting 2/24. Quarantine started in March. 🤔
Actually, this created some great buying opportunities for me. Anything I lost with existing investments will also come back. I'm not worried at all.
Oh, I understand it very well.
You mentioned in a earlier post that you previously worked in health care. What did you do?
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35 minutes ago, ghost_of_fl said:
Ok. Parents live in Puerto Rico. Child ONLY stays with grandparents when they are in the US. Where do those children sleep at night?
And the only solution you see to that is shutting down the entire economy?? Are you out of your mind? People can find ways to deal with it. Will things have to change? Of course. Can it be done without shutting down the entire economy and confining people to their homes? Of course. We have spent at least 6-7 trillion dollars on this so far. There are lots of people out of work right now that would love to have jobs taking care of kids after school. Maybe those kids in your example would have to stay with the parents in PR. Nah, that would never work. They shouldn't have to sacrifice anything. Just shut down the world instead. That's ridiculous.
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8 minutes ago, ghost_of_fl said:
It's a fluid situation. They didn't have data to support using masks. Now they do.
Why not just "play it safe"? Because there are only so many masks out there and the medical staff needed them more urgently.
Exactly what data do we have now about masks that we didn't have before this?
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27 minutes ago, ghost_of_fl said:
It's not personal. You're some random dude on the Internet. It makes sense that everyone isn't hanging on your every word like it's gospel. Sorry but I will go with what the experts say, not rando-dude.
Which is precisely why I have posted numerous links to information from physicians and scientists from Stanford, Harvard and other less-rando-dude practicing physicians who are saying the same thing that I am saying.
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Just now, ghost_of_fl said:
How?
OK. Are you ready? This is really complicated so pay attention and take notes.
Have someone else do it.
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1 minute ago, ghost_of_fl said:
Because a lot of those K-12 students go stay with Gramma and/or Grampa after school so mom and dad can work.
You know, there are ways to address that and all the other issues without a permanent shelter in place order. Or, maybe you don't.
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39 minutes ago, ghost_of_fl said:
So .... You do indeed feel you are more informed on the subject of preventing the spread of Infectious Diseases than the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases? Wow, cool.
So as professionals when we see someone make mistakes we shouldn't point them out, acknowledge them? Especially in science and medicine? We should just look the other way? Don't dare question authority? Great idea.
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14 minutes ago, Pinch said:
I meant pathogenesis and this, that and the other rather than antibody immunity.
I'm not sure what you mean. But, the presence of measurable antibodies should offer some level of protection from future infection for some period of time. Don't forget that the virus is here and won't go away any time soon, if ever. Remember we had H1N1 in 2009 and it sickened and killed a lot of people. We still have it. It still circulates but our immune systems are better prepared for it so it makes us less sick now.
With SARS and MERS (two other coronaviruses), they both appeared, caused infections and then "disappeared", or at least don't cause any "noticable" infections/outbreaks anymore.
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11 minutes ago, Pinch said:
Black Dog: but do we know enough about this group of viruses to implement herd immunity as a strategy? If not, gdecant has a good point.
Yes, there is evidence of immunity to the coronavirus family broadly. There is also empirical evidence going on right now in that where there are outbreaks, people do not appear to be getting infected again.
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here you go.
https://safespace.org/