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    Optimism...

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    On 4/27/2020 at 5:50 PM, fortyearspickn said:

     

    The man who died (his wife was hospitalized)  drank  Aquarium Cleaner.   He did not take the medicine Trump was reporting might be found, after further study, to be effective.  He drank Aquarium Cleaner.  Because the ingredients, his wife claimed and the media reported, included hydroxychloroquine.   Most people believe in personal accountability. Some people, many in the media believe in the opposite.  I would blame his wife before Trump.  In fact, I'd check into the husband's life insurance policy. 

     

    It looks like you were on the right track about this one:

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/police-investigating-death-of-man-who-ingested-fish-tank-cleaner-the-media-used-the-story-to-bash-trump

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    1 hour ago, gampadoug said:

    Does Gibson issue Certificates of Authenticity for Les Pauls like they do for the Electric Spanish line?

     

    Only for the Custom Shop models.  When the ES guitars were still made in Memphis, some had COAs even though they were not historic spec or Custom Shop.  Some Memphis Custom Shop guitars were also started in Memphis and finished in Nashville, I think.  But that's all a bit sketchy, maybe someone else knows more details.

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    Covid19 How many in your state or country?

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    2 hours ago, ghost_of_fl said:

    Boy are you barking up the wrong tree. My family is full of cops and nurses.  

    You post no links to back up anything you say.  I can't find any medical professionals speaking out against quarantine.  

     

    Boy?  OK.  

    So you have some family in law enforcement and nursing.   Both noble professions.  How many doctors have told you they believe in the quarantine?   Not someone you know who knew someone who knew someone.

    I have posted plenty of supporting evidence for my positions.  

    I'm pretty much finished with you.

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    Covid19 How many in your state or country?

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    After this post, I'm backing way off on this because I don't really want to spend this much time arguing about it.  But I will say a couple more things.

     

    2 hours ago, ghost_of_fl said:

    1.  The shutdown has caused absolute havoc in the stock market.   Can anyone explain to me how Trump and his administration stand to benefit from that in an election year? 

     

    Trump is backed into a corner.  If he's seen as not doing enough they'll blame him for every single death.  Actually, they already are.  Also, he's largely following the guidance of his medical advisors so he can just say that he did what they advised.

     

    2 hours ago, ghost_of_fl said:

    2.  Pretty much ALL medical professionals fully support social distancing/quarantine at this time.   Is the current movement to say we know more about this virus than the medical professionals?   What is the motivation for the entire medical community to get together on this lie?   Or are we saying they are incompetent? 

     

    How many have you spoken to?  I speak to many all the time.  I've even heard my local Infectious Disease experts express real doubt about all this privately but they won't say a word publicly.  Don't forget that public health experts are political too.  There are many who are brave enough to speak out in many media outlets that you can find, if you look.

    Optimism...

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    2 hours ago, Murph said:

    Hey.

    This is the Optimism thread.

    Beaches are getting packed. Stores are opening. Restaurants are opening.

    We're not afraid anymore.

    Rock and Roll !

     

    That's true.  And as each day goes by with numbers falling the governors won't be able to keep a lid on it.  The momentum will grow and we'll get back to normal.

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    Optimism...

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    Posted · Edited by Black Dog

    2 hours ago, Cougar said:

    This is apparently why politics is not a recommended topic for this Gibson discussion group.  How do you like this 2018 Songwriter Limited Edition 12-string I scored a few months ago?

    son513-2.jpg

     

    You're funny.  After all the cheap shots, insults and BS you post, you get called out, then you wanna kumbaya over a pretty guitar pic?  Why can't you just be polite?  I'll discuss anything with anyone.  It's when people get nasty that you have problems.  

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    Covid19 How many in your state or country?

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    1 hour ago, ghost_of_fl said:

     

    3/29 data above.   Now the same site says 17,303 deaths in NY state.   Would you say that is spreading slow?   Note if you butter one slice of bread, it doesn't mean you spread butter on the whole loaf.  

     

    Oh, and don't forget that those numbers are falsely elevated because you don't have to know if someone has the virus to say they died from it!!!  That's freekin hilarious.   Trust your leaders!!!  LOL.
     

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    Covid19 How many in your state or country?

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    Posted · Edited by Black Dog

    Neither of those things mean it's spreading fast.  It does mean there are a lot of cases now but we don't know how long it took to get there. 

    There is evidence now that the virus was circulating in California as early as early December.   China reported it's first cases to the WHO on 12/31/19 (or so they say).  So we know they had to have there for at least a month before that based on the California data, and probably earlier.  Also, we knew we were having a worse than normal Flu season and lots of cases of Flu like illness that were testing negative for Flu.  I know, because I was testing them myself.  We all just thought it was a bunch of false negatives, which do happen.  In hindsight, they were probably Covid.   So  it's been around here for a long time.   

    Antibody testing from New York now  indicates that around 2.7 million people have had it in NY State.   There was an outbreak in a prison in Ohio where they found around 2000 out of 2500 inmates got it but 95% had no symptoms at all from it  (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-prisons-testing-in/in-four-u-s-state-prisons-nearly-3300-inmates-test-positive-for-coronavirus-96-without-symptoms-idUSKCN2270RX).  

    So it causes little to no symptoms in the vast majority that get it.   That's why it spread so far before we could figure it out.   

    Vaccines are a pipe dream.  We have never had any effective vaccine for a Coronavirus.  There are lots of reasons for that and there is no reason to believe that we'll get an effective vaccine for this virus.  And if we do it will take at least a year, probably longer.  

    Drugs?  We don't have any.  Not for the cold or any coronavirus.  We don't even have decent medication for Influenza.  There are a couple new ones that will be available soon but the ones we have now are not effective.   Again, even if they can get one, it's a long way off before it hits the market.

    So what do we have?  We have a virus that makes most people not very sick or not sick at all.  We also know who does get very sick from it.  So what should we do?  Shut down the entire World indefinitely?  No.  We should protect our vulnerable and let the virus run it's course and hope that we get herd immunity, which we probably will.  Yes, I know immunity is not proven yet but, that is most likely what will happen and it's really all we've got.

    Optimism...

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    Posted · Edited by Black Dog

    4 hours ago, Cougar said:

    Actually, that's a false straw man.  The reports I've seen (including the BBC) simply reported what was said, often reporting that disinfectant companies are adding that the things he is "questioning" would be really bad ideas.  Other reports expressed fears that some Americans might act on Trump's "questions," and obviously cause harm, like that guy who died from hydrochroroquine after Trump (with a massive campaign by Fox) to suggest that that malaria medication was looking to be a "game changer," which turned out to be misleading, at best.

     

    Who died from hydroxychloroquine because of Trump?  I haven't seen that anywhere and Google comes up negative.  Do you have a source?

    And it's not a straw man.  The reports were all over the news.  They still are.  You claim you didn't see them, I doubt it.

    Covid19 How many in your state or country?

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    Posted · Edited by Black Dog

    46 minutes ago, ghost_of_fl said:

    It's spreading crazy fast.   That is the point.  Spreading much much faster than the flu.    

     

    Who says?  And you're using the wrong tense.  It's already spread, that's the point.   You can't take the butter back off the bread.

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    Covid19 How many in your state or country?

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    2 minutes ago, ghost_of_fl said:

    The example was new York.  So look, you made the point for me.  In all of 2018 there were only 3 times as many deaths NATIONWIDE from the Flu as there were from COVID-19 in NEW YORK ALONE and ONLY IN THE LAST MONTH.   Do you see it now?

     

    See what?  That we had more deaths from the this pandemic?  Of course.  That's not the point.   #-o

    Covid19 How many in your state or country?

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    10 minutes ago, rct said:

    Confirmed cases on the planet: 3,055,375

    Confirmed deaths on the planet: 211,032

    Confirmed cases in USA: 1,004,679

    Confirmed deaths in USA: 56,495

    USA = 4.25% of world population

    USA = 32.88% of confirmed world cases

    USA = 26.77% of world deaths

    Data from Worldometers

     

     

    So you're saying the shutdowns in the US failed then, is that right?

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    Covid19 How many in your state or country?

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    1 minute ago, rct said:

    I would like to know how any of this works, because I don't want to be missing anything.  So, how does any of this work?

    rct

     

    You're gonna try again?  If I haven't gotten through to you yet, I'm not gonna.  

    The bitter disapproval some have for everything I say proves this is purely political.  Everyone knows it.  Just admit it.

    I've put up historic facts, data, analysis and explanations that you don't seem to understand.

    It's been 27 years since I started learning about this in medical school.  Apparently I can't teach you all that on this forum.

    Covid19 How many in your state or country?

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    2 minutes ago, ghost_of_fl said:

     

    I was going to wait one full month but we are about 2 days off so.....

    These were the approximate numbers for New York state on March 29th (see my post on page 2 of this thread):

    53,363 confirmed cases

    782 deaths

    and here are the numbers according to the same website today: 

    292,027 confirmed cases

    17,303 deaths

    That happened in one month here.  Yes, there are about 19.5 million people living in New York.  It's a very small percentage of the population. But that's a lot of grammas and grandpas that won't be around anymore.  Some mom's and dads.  A few kids.  It's not about percentages, it's about people.  And this is clearly significantly different than the flu. 

     

    You have no idea how any of this works.

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