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  1. Hi, Is anyone selling a Gibson Varitone IC (just the one will do)? I bought a 2nd hand ES-345 that someone had removed the Varitone and I want to put one in. I don't need the full harness, just the IC. Cheers.
  2. OK, I bit the bullet and did it; I ripped out the harness from my beloved 2016 '64 ES-345 VOS (Mono) and modified it. So I've always loved the Varitone, but the treble roll off when turning down the volumes always got to me as I'm used to the 'Vintage' wiring approach on my Les Pauls and use the volumes a lot. Also the guitar was really dark sounding even with everything open. So, job 1, carefully remove the harness. Easier said than done and it took hours. Job 2, carefully trace out the circuit so I understood exactly what's here. What I found is in the first attachment. This circuit is almost exactly like the (difficult to read) Gibson stereo diagram except the outputs of each pick up are connected together at the mono jack. So, two Varitone's ganged together, in parallel with the tone pots, 'before' (connected to the top lug of) the volume. Yes the tone pots are wired opposite to each other but in passive electronics terms this makes no difference (a capacitor and resistor in series works the same which ever way 'round they are). I drew this schematic as I found Gibson's really hard to interpret, particularly how the Varitone is wired. This was important to understand as I was going to rip it apart and put it back together again. The second picture is the Varitone and its' two networks. These were mounted as two blue Surface Mount 'ICs' on the switch. The way the Varitone switch works is as follows: Although in a true passive electronics sense, it’s not really correct to refer to ‘inputs’ and ‘outputs’ on a simple filter circuit like this one, it does help illustrate how the circuit is wired. So, for the IC (NOT the switch), consider Pin 1 to be the input (from the pickups), and Pin 2 to be the output (towards your amplifier). All the other switch connections are there simply to bring different components into and out of the signal path. In switch position 1 (Bypass), IC pins 1 & 2 are shorted so the signal ‘sees’ the IC as a 2MΩ load (10MΩ/5 parallel resistors) which is so much bigger than the alternative paths via the volume control and amplifier input impedance that it has no effect in theory (bypass mode). In position 2, pins 2 & 3 are shorted, so the signal ‘sees’ a notch filter consisting of a 100kΩ resistor, a 0.001µF capacitor and a 15H inductor (not shown here, connected to IC pin 5); in position 3, IC pins 2 and 4 are shorted, so the signal ‘sees’ a notch filter consisting of a 100kΩ resistor, a 0.033µF capacitor and a 15H inductor (not shown here, connected to IC pin 5); in position 4, IC pins 2 and 6 are shorted, etc; in position 5, IC pins 2 and 7 are shorted, etc; in position 6, IC pins 2 and 8 are shorted, etc. Hope that helps. I heard from a guitar tech that the IC's are of variable quality so I built my own single network out of discrete MIL spec components. Next step was to decide on a new wiring solution. There are a number of options here; I could have moved the volumes to before the tone's and kept the rest in tact, but Gibson's own Mono circuit uses 'Modern' wiring with a single Varitone after the pickup selector switch. I chose to wire it as a 'Vintage' circuit, and then add a single Varitone after the pickup selector switch. The last diagram shows the circuit I used. The results are simply astounding. The guitar rings like a bell, it's resonant with clear highs and a huge bottom end. The volumes now work like my Les Pauls but best of all the Varitone still sounds the same.
  3. The Varitone is a wonderfull thing used correctly IMHO. BB King and Freddy King seemed to like it too.......
  4. Folks,I've just taken the harness out of my stock VOS '64 345 (mono) to repair a noisy pot. I have a reasonable ability to trace and interpret wiring and I can tell you that it isn't as shown in the mono diagrams from Gibson above. It seems to be the stereo loom with the switch outputs connected together. I can't comment on the phase polarity of the pickups, nor have I actually disassembled the loom to buzz it out but that's what it looks like; e.g. that Varitone is a stereo ganged switch with two sets of inputs, two outs, two capacitor networks and both sides of the stereo choke are used. Also, unlike the picture from Gibson, it uses the 'Vintage' wiring style with the tone control connected to the wiper of the volume, but oddly it still suffers from chronic tone roll-off when the volume is turned down. It is a pretty dark guitar anyway (compared to a LP or 335), which I put down to the MHS pickups, or the Varitone. And no, I don't think the Varitone 'sucks' tone, I like the way it sounds, that's why I bought it. That's not to say of course that the mono circuit shown above shouldn't work, it looks fine, although I'd expect a tonal difference between the picture and my guitar with both pickups selected. It's a pig to work on I can tell you. I have a thread elsewhere about taking the loom out and putting it back for those that are interested. WBM
  5. The MHS's are standard in my '64 VOS ES-345 of course. Flat out I think they are really great but the lack of top end becomes an issue for me when I roll back the volume (I use the VOL control quite a bit). Thinking of changing the wiring to Vintage instead of Modern which should brighten it up a bit, although I'm balking at the prospect of coughing up $000's on a VOS guitar and then CHANGING it! Not to mention that pulling the harness out of a 345 seems to be quite a bit of trouble........ Still, the guitar's for playing, right? So it needs to sound good.
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