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  1. I'm a member of TGP, but didn't post there..Oddly enough, when I tried to sign up at the LPF a few years ago I was rejected/not allowed to join for no reason. You can link this thread to both forums if you wish.
  2. I posted it at the My Les Paul forum..Link here: http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/showthread.php?t=377261 The general consensus is that it's not a Gibson, probably made by a skilled luthier.. Although one former Gibson employee who worked on V's in that period did have this to say: "It's definitely a FV CMT. With all the "oddball" features, my guess is that it was some kind of early Kalamazoo trial run (prototype). I've never seen a serial number stamped in that location. My first records of building FV CMT's was in June of 1983. Since the first four of the serial no. appear to be on the same horizontal "plane" and the last two are different, my interpretation would be: 0083 = 1983 and 20 would be the unit number. Plus, the numbers appear to be stamped on top of the finish, which would indicate not regular production. The wooden backplates also indicate not regular production. Sometimes they would have to "create" backplates for prototypes until the final design was decided and the vendor could "tool-up" for the parts. No "Made in USA" also indicates it was not regular production, probably an employee purchase. Not sure if it could have been sold new through a dealer without that. Cool guitar. Let me know if you find out any other details. Randy" So, I have this to ask you guys..If this V we're to be determined to be a Gibson prototype, what kind of value would it have? On the other side of the coin, if it's determined to have been built by an (unknown) skilled luthier, again, what would be it's ballpark value?
  3. Here's a pic of an 80's Les Paul Standard showing the same 8 sided routing as my V..So it does exist:
  4. Thanks for your response JimR56. I agree with you regarding Customer Service. I got no explanation as to why they deemed it not a Gibson guitar. I did respond asking what aspect(s) of it makes it 100% not Gibson. Didn't get an answer from them yet. Another thing is that I've owned over 400 Gibson guitars in my life and this one feels like a Gibson..If it's not an "official Gibson" then I would venture to guess it was made by someone with knowledge with Gibson's guitar making techniques..Perhaps a past Gibson employee made it after leaving the company? Something I didn't add is the fact it also has the proper Gibson neck angle. That pink buffing residue in the pickup and trussrod cavities also (apparently) indicates a Gibson made product from a couple of guitar techs. They said it's something they've only seen in older Gibson's. Yes, I did consider it to be a dark cherry burst, but I could be wrong..What would you guys call it (perhaps Bourbon Burst?) Close inspection of the neck area shows the neck is the original that came with this body (look at the neck joint pics above). Yes, I already thought of posting at those two forums you mentioned..Might do it tonight.
  5. Gibson customer service has looked at it. Here is their answer: "this instrument does not appear to be an authentic Gibson guitar". If that's the case, does anybody out there recognize which company or luthier that could have made it?
  6. Your comments took me by surprise because the first tech I brought it to inspect it is a veteran of the scene, has been personal guitar road tech for Keith Richards, Zakk Wylde, Lenny Kravitz and a bunch of others..He's worked on thousands of Gibson's and the very first thing that came out of his mouth when I opened the case was 'wow, cool Ibanez Rocket!' until he looked at the Gibson logo on the headstock and said 'whoa, what do we have here..' After going thru it for about an hour, his opinion was that it's a Gibson..Either a prototype, a custom one off for a customer or an after hours employee creation... The second guy I brought it to, the first thing he said was 'looks like a Dean'...Until again, after inspecting it, felt it was a Gibson too. So, here we are!
  7. The one I have is not "The V". Look at one of those closely and look at this one. Position of tailpiece, top (the V has flametop, not birdseye maple like mine) the positioning of the knobs, switch, input jack, the headstocks on "The V" are stubbier and have the Gibson logo on the actual headstock, versus mine on TRC and they all seem to have volutes..Mine does not.."The V" has a one piece plastic electronics cover, while mine has two pieces carved out with wood covers, the position of the serial number etc..While at a quick glance it looks like an early 80's "The V", a side by side comparison clearly shows they're not the same...I do feel it was made in the same era though (early 80's).
  8. Hey everybody! I have a very unique Flying V, one of which I've never seen before and was hoping a forum member(s) (or member of customer service) could shed some light about it. So, let's proceed with the specs: Body: -One piece mahogany back, cherry finish -Wood carved electronics cover and round wooden input jack cover -Cream colored binding (possibly originally white) -Three piece birds eye maple top (5mm/0.19685 inch thick) -Cherry finish -Lacquer cracking/checking throughout -Pink buffing residue in pickup cavities -Serial number 008320 unevenly stamped on inside bottom wing, above input jack Neck: -Ebony fretboard -One piece mahogany neck, no volute -Medium carve -Cream binding (possibly originally white) -Large flat frets, possibly an old refret -No binding nibs. Remnants of nibs on higher frets indicating there were nibs originally. Nibs either missing from refret or playing wear -22 frets, 17 clear of body Headstock: -Pointy style -Black plastic "Gibson" logo, three gold screws -5/16" trussrod nut size -Pink buffing residue in trussrod cavity -Gold Kluson Deluxe single ring keystone tuners -"wing" on both sides on the back of the headstock, a feature seen on most Gibson headstocks. Hardware: -All screws are gold colored throughout -Neck pickup is an early 80's "Tim Shaw" . Ink stamped 07? 128. Was in guitar when owner purchased it in early 90's. Could be original -Bridge pickup is a non-original Dimarzio Super Distortion installed recently. Had an 80's Seymour Duncan "JB" when owner purchased in early 90's. The JB is deemed not original to guitar -Gold tailpiece appears to be a Gibson piece made in the 60's -Gold tune-o-matic bridge with nylon saddles and retaining wire is a Gibson Pat.No. piece from '61-'65 period. Deemed not original to guitar -Knobs are from a 1962 Melody Maker. Had black, ribbed "witch hat" knobs when owner purchased it. Not sure if the "witch hat" knobs were original to the guitar or not -All pots, caps and wiring are non-original Unusual/unique features on this guitar not seen on any other Gibson Flying V: -Birds eye maple top -Plastic Gibson logo/cover and placement of screws is different from others seen -The knobs, three in a straight line and their position on the guitar is different from all V's seen/known -The position of the switch is different from all V's seen/known -The position of the input jack is different from all V's seen/known -The carved wooden electronics cavity cover is different from all V's seen/known -The addition of a separate small round wooden cover for the input jack is different from all V's seen/known -Ebony fretboard versus rosewood board -The numbers in the serial appear to have been hand stamped one at a time, are not level and positioned on body edge by input jack, instead of behind headstock. Serial number does not match the system from Gibson at that period (we believe the guitar was made in early 80's from the overall look/style) I have had two local luthiers/techs with many years of service who have worked on thousand's of Gibsons study it. In their opinions, it's a Gibson. The question is, was this guitar a prototype? Was it a custom order made for a client? If yes, does customer service have records indicating who it was made for and when? Was it possibly made by a Gibson employee for himself? Is it possible it's not a Gibson after all but an extremely well made and convincing copy? I took 70 pictures from all angles to help identify this guitar. Here are a few to start:
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