question regarding 50's wiring

[Sgt.]

considering replacing electronics in lp with prewired harness, 50's wiring. Do you have to change the wiring on the toggle to 50's style as well (or would a qualified repair know that)?

in the new les paul studio i don't think the toggle wiring is braided (or is it and i can't see it). is it a good idea to upgrade the toggle switch too when replacing the electronics? What's wrong with the stock toggle in the new les paul studios? (can it be used or does it need upgrading)

[Tim Plains]

'50s wiring is just how one pot is connected to the next.

If the harness comes prewired '50s, you're good to go.

No benefit in replacing the toggle switch unless it's broken.

 

 

[cjsinla]

'50s wiring is just how one pot is connected to the next.

If the harness comes prewired '50s, you're good to go.

No benefit in replacing the toggle switch unless it's broken.

 

 

 

 

 

How do the different wiring schemes effect the sound or performance?

[badbluesplayer]

50's wiring "supposedly" doesn't roll back the highs as quickly when you turn the volume down. The tone is brighter at lower volume settings. But the tone controls won't work as well with 50's wiring. So choose your poison!!

 

Treble bleed circuits do work really well. I don't have them on my LP, but they work great. My strat has one. When you first play with one, you'd swear it's getting brighter as you turn it down until you realize that you're just so used to the tone getting muddy as you turn it down and it's just an illusion. You can conrol the amount of brightness by adjusting the size of the capacitor to taste.

[Hall]

Apprecited here too, R9.

 

Steve

[Guest Farnsbarns]

50's wiring "supposedly" doesn't roll back the highs as quickly when you turn the volume down.

 

I've always thought it was the opposite. Or am I just have a Sunday afternoon moment?

[badbluesplayer]

I've always thought it was the opposite. Or am I just have a Sunday afternoon moment?

Could be me too. Let somebody else figure it out!!

[stein]

The main difference in what it does, is when you are in the middle position, as in both pups at once, both volumes affect signal, so you don't have "independant" control of the ability to blend output levels of pups.

 

When you turn down either one of the volumes, both pups are reduced in volume. That's "50's" wiring. When you have only one pup selected, the volume for that pup does work for that pup independantly.

 

As for the sound, the "tone", I THINK the reason why 50's is percieved as brighter is that it takes the effect of the tone control based on volume control amount, where in the "typical stock", it is taking it's tone control from a fixed amount.

 

For example, if you have the volume set on "10", the tone control puts it's effect based on that setting- turn it down to "5", and it puts it's effect based on the volume of "5". Where as with "60's" wiring, the tone control puts it's effect on the volume setting of "10" regardless of where the volume is set. That's a rough explanation.

 

So, another way to say it is that when you turn the volume down to half on "50's" wiring, the tone control then cuts half as much highs. With "60's"m wiring, the tone cuts highs based on the full volume.

[cjsinla]

The main difference in what it does, is when you are in the middle position, as in both pups at once, both volumes affect signal, so you don't have "independant" control of the ability to blend output levels of pups.

 

When you turn down either one of the volumes, both pups are reduced in volume. That's "50's" wiring. When you have only one pup selected, the volume for that pup does work for that pup independantly.

 

As for the sound, the "tone", I THINK the reason why 50's is percieved as brighter is that it takes the effect of the tone control based on volume control amount, where in the "typical stock", it is taking it's tone control from a fixed amount.

 

For example, if you have the volume set on "10", the tone control puts it's effect based on that setting- turn it down to "5", and it puts it's effect based on the volume of "5". Where as with "60's" wiring, the tone control puts it's effect on the volume setting of "10" regardless of where the volume is set. That's a rough explanation.

 

So, another way to say it is that when you turn the volume down to half on "50's" wiring, the tone control then cuts half as much highs. With "60's"m wiring, the tone cuts highs based on the full volume.

 

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