Is this mine?

[Izzy]

I've been writting my own stuff and recently have come accross an odd scenario.

 

Basically I will hear sometning in my head that I made up (not words ever, just music) and it seems strangely familiar, then I'll go to put it down on guitar or keys and as I am playing it or hearing it post-recorded it gets more familiar. Granted, it only happens for like a hook or a chorus, never a full song or anything, but I still think, "Jesus, am I remembering a song I heard once maybe and now I'm accidentally plagarising?" BUT like most of you, I have a good ear for recognizing songs. If I thought it was cool I will remember what it is even if I forgot it up until then.

 

 

Has anyone had this issue?

Worst part is for writting papers I know there are web sites that check for plagirism but with music....

[surfpup]

 

Has anyone had this issue?

 

Yep! One of the bad parts about being an avid listener of music is that stuff creeps into your head. You'll play something you just wrote for a friend and they go, "hey that sounds like...."

 

Ooooops. Did it again.

[krock]

I was messing around and thought I wrote a really cool riff, turns out I'd just transcribed without knowing the "she's a liar" riff from the slash featuring myles kennedy album

[milod]

I'll third that remark.

 

One problem too, when it comes especially to more simple "pop" type and "folk" type music is that so many melodies are indeed very similar if not identical.

 

One example is that I learned a fiddle tune and only years later realized it was a cut from a "classical" piece - or... I dunno, did the "classical" composer take a folk tune and...

 

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[surfpup]

On a related note...

 

How's that old adage go? A good song sounds familiar the first time you hear it... Not such a bad ting I guess

 

Also in western music there are only 12 notes, so how many different (good sounding) melodic combinations of those notes can there be?

[AXE®]

I thought I had real winner on my hands so I played it for some friends.

 

Turns out I re wrote Cowboy Song by Thin Lizzy!

 

Here Lolz

 

[charlie brown]

Song writers borrow, all the time...tunes, musical phrases, even song titles.

Sing it like YOU wrote it, and no one will care....UNLESS of course, you're

famous, your song outsell's their's, and you have deep pockets (money wise)

and someone wants some of that money for themselves.

 

(Chiffon's suing George Harrison, for the similarity of his "My Sweet Lord," to their "He's So Fine.")

Similar, admittedly...but NOT exactly the same! If that were the case, ALL the Blues song writers,

and Country song writers would be in court, all the time, and couldn't write their songs, either.

 

The Toy's "Lover's Concerto," is melodically pretty close to JS Bach's "Notebook for Ann Magdalena Bach,"

Elvis's "It's Now or Never," is identical to "O Sole Mio." and there are LOTS of other "Pop, Rock, or Country"

songs, based on Classical melodies.

 

So..."Write on," Izzy!

 

CB

[krock]

Song writers borrow, all the time...tunes, musical phrases, even song titles.

Sing it like YOU wrote it, and no one will care....UNLESS of course, you're

famous, your song outsell's their's, and you have deep pockets (money wise)

and someone wants some of that money for themselves.

 

(Chiffon's suing George Harrison, for the similarity of his "My Sweet Lord," to their "He's So Fine.")

Similar, admittedly...but NOT exactly the same! If that were the case, ALL the Blues song writers,

and Country song writers would be in court, all the time, and couldn't write their songs, either.

 

The Toy's "Lover's Concerto," is melodically pretty close to JS Bach's "Notebook for Ann Magdalena Bach,"

Elvis's "It's Now or Never," is identical to "O Sole Mio." and there are LOTS of other "Pop, Rock, or Country"

songs, based on Classical melodies.

 

So..."Write on," Izzy!

 

CB

 

I was playing guitar hero earlier with my housemates and rolling stones-stray cat blues came on which reminded me of sweet home alabama. I did some research on it and the stones song was released in 68 where as sweet home alabama was released in 74

[Izzy]

Boy are these responces a relief! As Surfpup mentioned, it is true that if it sounds good right off it will have a certain familiarity. I think its because the "new" song fits together by every theoretical (music theory) standard. That's my guess as a theory know-nothing.

 

 

Oh, Charlie, I love that Elvis song and now I hear him sayning "oh sole mio."

[charlie brown]

Boy are these responces a relief! As Surfpup mentioned, it is true that if it sounds good right off it will have a certain familiarity. I think its because the "new" song fits together by every theoretical (music theory) standard. That's my guess as a theory know-nothing.

 

 

Oh, Charlie, I love that Elvis song and now I hear him sayning "oh sole mio."

 

LOL...Sorry, about that, Izzy...

 

CB

[rocketman]

Didn't seem to be an issue with Jimmy Page. Oops, don't want to restart that thread again.

 

Happens to the best. Rush's La Villa Strangiato main theme sounds very close to Raymond Scott's Powerhouse. They honestly didn't know they had "rediscovered" the lick. Raymond sued but the statute of limitations had expired. But, Rush (being the nice guys they are) gave him a settlement anyways. Listen to both here.

[Kaiser Bill]

Yep...back in the ol' days (30 years ago) when I was a song writing machine...I would write and record something and within a week I'd hear something VERY similar on the radio to what I'd just written.

[jdgm]

Then again....

It is said that when Mcartney came up with the melody for 'Yesterday' he spent a couple of weeks asking people what tune it was, as he thought it had already been written and that he was remembering something in the same way as forum members have described above.

Seems like once in awhile something original will come through!

[pippy]

...Didn't seem to be an issue with Jimmy Page. Oops, don't want to restart that thread again...

What goes around comes around...

 

Listen to either the first five bars of the opening section of Clapton's "Let It Grow" - or, to make it even even more obvious skip to the 3:35 mark - and see if it reminds you of a certain well known ditty by the Famous Foursome.

 

Here Ya Go;

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXDf9UwHGF4

 

 

P.

[btoth76]

Hello!

 

Which song Zakk was listening to prior to writing this? Anyone with a guess?

 

Hint: He played the piano on this one.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aHGQ9yCmwI

 

Cheers... Bence

[krock]

Hello!

 

Which song Zakk was listening to prior to writing this? Anyone with a guess?

 

Hint: He played the piano on this one.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aHGQ9yCmwI

 

Cheers... Bence

In this river?

 

 

 

[btoth76]

It reminds me of Lynyrd Skynyrd's "Freebird". The piano line is almost the same.

 

The conclusion has already been said: we pickup things from the music we listen to. The mind rearranges them a bit and comes up with something new.

 

Cheers... Bence

[krock]

It reminds me of Lynyrd Skynyrd's "Freebird". The piano line is almost the same.

 

The conclusion has already been said: we pickup things from the music we listen to. The mind rearranges them a bit and comes up with something new.

 

Cheers... Bence

 

Oh yeah, now you've said that Im hearing both songs in there. I think the beginning is more like skynyrd and the main bit is like in this river. But as you've said, we pickup things from the music we listen to

[Valeriy]

It seems, once it was at me, I doubted, however then calculated to what it was similar. Generally speaking, with a good band such doubts usually do not occur.

[rct]

It seems, once it was at me, I doubted, however then calculated to what it was similar. Generally speaking, with a good band such doubts usually do not occur.

 

This was the exact operating instructions for one of the lamps in my living room.**

 

rct

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

**I'm sorry. Really sorry. REALLY really sorry. I know English is not your first language. I couldn't pass it up, the comedy shooting directly into my vein took over, I was not responsible for my own actions. I am deeply sorry, and I plussed you up as a token of just how deeply sorrowful and sorry I am.

[Izzy]

This was the exact operating instructions for one of the lamps in my living room.**

 

rct

 

 

 

 

**I'm sorry. Really sorry. REALLY really sorry.

 

(it had to be done)

[sgplayers]

i am sitting on 3 songs that i think are all me but one does have to wonder. how long before its all been done before. btw these are my first and only three songs.i hope someone doesnt say , hey that sonnds like so and so . btw how many consistant notes need to match another tune before its plagerism. lol

[rct]

i am sitting on 3 songs that i think are all me but one does have to wonder. how long before its all been done before. btw these are my first and only three songs.i hope someone doesnt say , hey that sonnds like so and so . btw how many consistant notes need to match another tune before its plagerism. lol

 

It isn't really about matching. It's two bars, however many beats to the bar x 2, that could reasonably be mistaken for the copyrighted material that has brought the infringement against the either not copyrighted or post copyrighted material that is making money. That's the rule of thumb, I suppose studly wicked sramt lawyers can make cases for less or more music time that could be reasonably mistaken. Well, it used to be the rule of thumb. Prolly all different now.

 

rct

[Valeriy]

Rct, I did not know what to say , it seems, we do not know each other and maybe I unsuccessfully said in English my words, but thank you for +1 :) .

[sgplayers]

times two. wow so there isnt any doubt if they hear it twice then its a law suit. interesting.