Craig Mackay Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Hi everyone, I'm new to this board having just bought my first ever Gibson. A 2013 SG Standard with min-Etune. Love the guitar but I seem to be having problems with min-Etune and wanted to ask if anyone else has the same trouble. It always tunes the guitar slightly sharper than it should in every tuning. The strings are all in tune relative to each other so it works for casual playing but I couldn't rely on it for studio or live use. Does anyone know how to calibrate min-Etune? Page eight of the manual says to refer to page 28 to see how to calibrate it but there is no page 28 on the manual. Currently, I have set up a couple of custom tunings in the custom bank but it means I'll only have a potential 6 tunings to choose from (probably enough for my uses anyway) rather than 18. Thanks for reading and any help! Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vexorgtr Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Is it set to A=440? that's the easiest mistake to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Mackay Posted May 4, 2013 Author Share Posted May 4, 2013 Hi My tuner or the min e-tune? 440 is the only mode available on my tuner and I can't see anywhere in the min-etune manual to say that it can be changed. So, I'm assuming it can't be changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vexorgtr Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 Hi My tuner or the min e-tune? 440 is the only mode available on my tuner and I can't see anywhere in the min-etune manual to say that it can be changed. So, I'm assuming it can't be changed. OK, fair enough. Now are you getting sharp notes with the strings open? or just when playing fretted notes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Mackay Posted May 4, 2013 Author Share Posted May 4, 2013 With the open strings. The intonation is pretty much spot on out of the factory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vexorgtr Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 Are you using the same strings as factory? If you went to something even slightly different, you should re-calibrate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Mackay Posted May 4, 2013 Author Share Posted May 4, 2013 Still the factory strings. I don't know how to re-calibrate it. If I knew how to it would make my day! Page 8 of the manual says "For retuning, strum ALL strings in the manner you did in calibration mode (page 28)" but there isn't a page 28 or any other reference to calibration. If anyone could tell me how to do it I would be most grateful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vexorgtr Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 http://www.tronical.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/TTL-Manual_V2.12.pdf Page 28 of this document. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Mackay Posted May 4, 2013 Author Share Posted May 4, 2013 Thank you so much vexorgtr! I will give that a shot tomorrow :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vexorgtr Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 Thank you so much vexorgtr! I will give that a shot tomorrow :-) No worries. I like heavy strings on an electric guitar...... I use what most would call a Medium or '11' set. My robotic guitars do well with those. The differences between the pre-min e tune gibsons and the minetunes is.......... The Original Robot, Darkfire, Etc. all "listen" to the strings at the bridge. They have individual piezo's in the saddles of the bridge. It is REALLY accurate. Min-Etune has a disadvantage... since it's 100% in the headstock, it listens for pitch in the same style as a clip-on headstock tuner. It gives it a disadvantage in discerning all the different notes at once. Fatter strings would actually help it out a bit... since they create a stronger vibration throughout the guitar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Mackay Posted May 5, 2013 Author Share Posted May 5, 2013 Cool, I actually have a set of 11's here that I am planning to put on as the 10's that came with it feel more like 9's. I'm used to playing guitars with a longer scale length which I'm assuming has something to do with it. Hopefully it will help. First time using any kind of robotic tuner for me. The technology amazes me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vexorgtr Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 How did you make out with your issues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Mackay Posted June 9, 2013 Author Share Posted June 9, 2013 Sorry, I never noticed this reply! Calibrating it didn't make too much difference but as you suggested I've just put a set of 11's on it and re-calibrated. Works a charm :-) Thanks again for your help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmp65 Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Seems to be limiting to have to use a certain gauge of strings, no? Neat technology so don't get me wrong but it does seem curious to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stix Malloy Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Seems to be limiting to have to use a certain gauge of strings, no? Neat technology so don't get me wrong but it does seem curious to me. Hello The MinETune held up my purchase for several months while I waited (amongst many things)to actually get my hands on one....then within minutes of trying it I bought a guitar without one anyway ha! Consider the space inside the machine heads, how amazingly strong those tiny little gear wheels are and how much force is applied to each one during tuning by the 6ft lever that is your average guitarist . Then imagine that you've removed 50% of the gear wheels mass (and so its strength maybe?) and replaced the 6ft of muscle with a pretty week little motor. Then add some extra tensile/lateral forces on the machine head/motor combo by switching from say 10s to 11s. Alternatively, look at the increase in force YOU have to apply to get a full step pitch bend using 11s when you've played 9s for years. My guess is that they reckon heavy gauge strings would just put too much strain on the mechanics and I'd wager they're probably right. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vexorgtr Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Don't tell my 2 robotic guitars that. They've been running with 11's for 3 and 5 years respectively. I guess they'll just fall apart over the minor tension change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe c. Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 I am having the same problem, has anybody figured out the fix for this or should I start a new thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symo Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Fix is to recalibrate, and also to make sure you follow the string attachment guide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieP Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Fix is to recalibrate, and also to make sure you follow the string attachment guide. Also intonation is critical for the accuracy of tuners. I checked mine and the intonation was off by quite a bit, did intonation and found that tuning became more accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sid9170 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Hi, I might be chiming in too late, but I just bought Epiphone Classic T with Min Etune, and am debating whether or not to keep it. Very nice guitar, well made with good action and sound. Min Etune is fascinating technology - fun to watch and use, however, consistent accuracy is a problem. Two passes at same tuning usually gives two slightly different results. The problem is usually 1 ,2, or 3 strings are sharp, usually within 3 cents, but sometimes as much as 8 cents. The accuracy setting doesn't seem to make any difference in accuracy- it just takes longer. The 3 cents makes a huge difference in chords, and requires manual tweaking. Another gripe is single string mode. It seems that the tuning accuracy is better in single string mode,and I would like to use single string mode to correct a couple of out-of-tune strings from multiple string mode, but you have to go thru low to high string IN order- cant just pick the problem string. This can make previously in tune strings go out of tune, plus it takes longer than I would like. I also worry about eventual breakdown with this delicate mechanism. I think the claim of +/- 1 cent is just plain wrong. Any other experiences with the accuracy of this system? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick-D Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 HI All, I am having the same issue where my low E and A strings are tuning sharp. The E string in particular is almost a half a note sharp. I cannot for the life of me find any instructions on how to calibrate this thing and the link given above seems to longer work with a 404 error being shown. I found a YouTube video on how to calibrate the newer Gibson G-Force model but not the Min-e-tune model which I have and those instructions don't seem to work on this model. What is really frustrating is that the Tronical website is very unhelpful and getting contact info for them is also impossible. Seems that you can no longer register an account on their website which is very strange and also slightly concerning. I wonder if they will be around much longer. Any help would be great before I rip out what little hair I have left and throw this thing away. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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