Izzy Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 I had played with a loose drummer before, easy to work with but not too precise, sort of leasurely; not crazy for him. ...but today I go tomeet and play with a precise player, a tight player who really wants to play play (not idle or chit chat drink). I left him my demo and we agreed on 3 songs to work on for tomorrow. So Stoked!! Also, in my search for pups I found a guitar with Lace Sensors R/S/B and decided to go for it since it came upgraded and had a case. I'm sure you purists are rolling the eyes, lol. Trust me, I know it doesn't sound Strat, but boy on high gain they are killer! They sound better than the stock on my MIM at least, and when Niel set it up he inspected it and said the guts were USA despite the fact that the headstock suggests MIM '00. Been a great week. I may leave my un-upgraded MIM and my cheapo VOX at the drummer's for rehearsal after we jam a few times. Having cheap gear can be handy some times. Any advice on jamming with a drummer, pet peeves they have, things to watch out for etc... Also, any of you have Lace or have had Lace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 [quote name='Izzy' timestamp='1370386671' post='1384017 Any advice on jamming with a drummer... Listen (And hopefully they will be doing do the same) Figure out who's leading (a bit like dancing in that respect) If it doesn't click quick it won't click at all (a bit like love in that respect) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Nice one Izzy for putting yourself out there (errm, musically ;)) I don't really think you need much advice... Just see how it goes, play it by ear and see what direction it takes.. Theres no saying you cant work with more than one person at a time.. You will soon know if you have something hot on your hands or not. Surf is right in that when you feel it you will know its right, but it can take a few jams first (like dating someone new, or breaking in a new guitar ;)) The only things I can think of is that some people can be a bit moody when in band situations (or life in general).. Could be they are just tired or have personal stuff going on.. So just be clear and professional in your communication and it should all be fine :) (just like any sort of work). Have fun but set some clear goals that you want to reach each week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffster Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 That is very exciting that things are moving in the direction you want, you certainly have what it takes. I only have a Lace Sensor in the neck position of my Squier 51, I like it a lot, different but adds diversity to my tones. Hey if guys like David Gilmour and Eric Clapton have used them they are fine by me. Listen (And hopefully they will be doing do the same) Figure out who's leading (a bit like dancing in that respect) If it doesn't click quick it won't click at all (a bit like love in that respect) I agree with this wisdom. Surf, why can't you be my neighbor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 I agree with this wisdom. Surf, why can't you be my neighbor? I know, right. Gonnna be visiting Nashville (albeit briefly) this summer as Vanderbilt tries to woo my daughter into attending. Perhaps in the future I will be up there more often and we can at least pick and grin a little bit (and eat some SATCO and Roteirs) Maybe ChanMan could join us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffster Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Anytime, just let me know, I stopped by SATCO not long ago but I had my 20-month daughter and she's hard to keep up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Anytime, just let me know, I stopped by SATCO not long ago but I had my 20-month daughter and she's hard to keep up with. I hear ya there. We are debating whether to try the trip to Nashville in July with our 3 1/2 year old or not. The 9 hour car ride is the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyMoon Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 I had played with a loose drummer before, easy to work with but not too precise, sort of leasurely; not crazy for him. ...but today I go tomeet and play with a precise player, a tight player who really wants to play play (not idle or chit chat drink). I left him my demo and we agreed on 3 songs to work on for tomorrow. So Stoked!! Also, in my search for pups I found a guitar with Lace Sensors R/S/B and decided to go for it since it came upgraded and had a case. I'm sure you purists are rolling the eyes, lol. Trust me, I know it doesn't sound Strat, but boy on high gain they are killer! They sound better than the stock on my MIM at least, and when Niel set it up he inspected it and said the guts were USA despite the fact that the headstock suggests MIM '00. Been a great week. I may leave my un-upgraded MIM and my cheapo VOX at the drummer's for rehearsal after we jam a few times. Having cheap gear can be handy some times. Any advice on jamming with a drummer, pet peeves they have, things to watch out for etc... Also, any of you have Lace or have had Lace? Awesome news good luck..and advice..well only thing I can say is make sure they don't come with drama...I don't know about you but I personally can't stand the " tortured drunkin' artist " thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 That's great news! Surfpup gives great advice. The only one I'll argue a bit about is the last one. Sometimes it takes time to click. We started playing with our main drummer when we were about 14 years old, but it took well over a year before we really clicked. It's the small stuff that matters. For example, after that year we never had to look at each other to end a tune. Sometimes we never practiced an ending, but we always ended together. That type of clicking takes a while to develop (kinda like making a blind pass to a teammate). I haven't played a serious rock gig in 15+ years. We started practicing off and on a few years ago. It only took a few practices to get that magic "groove" back. It's really like riding a bicycle. We were very fortunate to have a drummer with natural abilities. I can tell who's got that within 5 minutes (I don't have it and I know it, so I practice like crazy to make up for it). But he would get every nuance down after listening to a tune just once, even difficult jazz tunes. Here's an example. We were around 16 at the time. I'm on the keys and my brother is playing bass. The band practiced this no more than a couple times before we played it live. Our drummer couldn't read a note of music, but he got every cut down perfectly. Listen to the cuts at 1:38. Spot on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twiz Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Finding a drummer is tough. At least where I come from. Every drummer I know plays in at least two bands. I don't think there are any pet peeves or things to watch out for when jamming with a drummer. -No more than jamming with a bass player or another guitar player. It's kinda like dating someone. Good chemistry will go a long way. I've jammed with diva guitar players, and bass players that had no concept of time (not counting, I mean literally time. They would be 2 hours late for practice). As long as they're in the same ball park as you skill-wise, have a little bit of humbleness, an ability to communicate well, and a car/van, you should be cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbluesplayer Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Yay! Drummers are tough to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greybeard Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Sounds like you have a good find in that guitar Izzy. I've had a Clapton edition Strat Plus since about 1989 with the lace sensors and I don't think I'll ever part with it. I used it almost exclusively for about four years and still pick it up when I want a good bluesy or classic rock sound. The pickups are hotter than my other standard strat and have a different tone than a standard Fender pickup. I think you'll find them very versatile. As far as advice about working with a drummer, just remember that everybody brings something of themselves to the music. Let your ear and your own feeling for the music be your guide. My son has been a drummer for a lot of years and he told me that the biggest difference between a drummer and a large pizza is that a large pizza can feed a family of four for a night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sellen Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 congrats with new guitar, and good luck with the jam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted June 5, 2013 Author Share Posted June 5, 2013 @ Greybeard Yeah, I am quite happy with the guitar, especially since the fret is so worn, the mapple gloss is not bad. Those pups are way cool! @ ya'll As grateful as I am for ya'll's input on the drummer thing... You failed to tell me about the headache!!!! Jesus, I think my head is gonna split. I considered ear thingies but damn, now I think I'll have to wear them. Am I just a weirdo or do ya'll need ear protection too? Also, I didn't realize that, aside from the early stages of dating, getting to know a new drummer musically is like dating someone whose language you do not speak. He is trying to ask me to do this one thing on guitar and making hand gestures like he's air strumming and I'm like and he calls my songs by numbers (I think its the count of...something or another). Its quite hysterical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pin Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Don't stint on the ear protection Izzy. Tinnitus (as any sufferer will tell you) is not nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVOL! Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 You failed to tell me about the headache!!!! Jesus, I think my head is gonna split. I considered ear thingies but damn, now I think I'll have to wear them. Am I just a weirdo or do ya'll need ear protection too? Yes. My drummer is loud. Not obscene like some Neanderthal destroying his kit; he just has good technique and plays a modern Gretsch fusion kit. That make me play louder too (happily) so I do protect my ears. Years ago I got a nice pair of musician earplugs to preserve what little hearing I have left and to not torture my ears with the muffled sounds of foam ear plugs. You can now get high fidelity plugs at your local music store for less than $20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 You failed to tell me about the headache!!!! Jesus, I think my head is gonna split. I considered ear thingies but damn, now I think I'll have to wear them. Am I just a weirdo or do ya'll need ear protection too? Yes.. Ear protection is VERY important (we have had several threads on that in the past). http://forum.gibson.com/index.php?/topic/83682-tinnitus-anyone-else-have-this/page__p__1145491__hl__tinnitus__fromsearch__1#entry1145491 I have suffered from tinnitus since my mid 20s and I hate it.. It doesn't really bother me that much most of the time, its not painful just really annoying.. The worst is when you try and go to sleep. As soon as theres no noise you hear it, and the more you hear it the louder it gets...In fact talking about it makes me hear it lol (stop it !!!!! ;)) I wish I had worn protection (as the priest said to the rabbi :)). You can get pro musician ones and what they do is only block out the harmful ranges of sound and allow the rest through.. WELL worth it I promise you that.. You should also use them for gigs.. some gigs ive been too (like Motorhead and Type O Negative), I literally couldn't hear properly for days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Yay! Drummers are tough to find. Yeah but no way near as hard as finding a good bassist. My drummer and I have been wanting to play an open mic night for almost 4 years now but my brother doesn't want to do it. The problem is that he can play Geddy Lee perfectly and I just can't find anyone who can do that. I finally convinced him to do it though, but he said to wait until after summer (doesn't want to cut into his boat time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greybeard Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 @ Greybeard Yeah, I am quite happy with the guitar, especially since the fret is so worn, the mapple gloss is not bad. Those pups are way cool! @ ya'll As grateful as I am for ya'll's input on the drummer thing... You failed to tell me about the headache!!!! Jesus, I think my head is gonna split. I considered ear thingies but damn, now I think I'll have to wear them. Am I just a weirdo or do ya'll need ear protection too? Also, I didn't realize that, aside from the early stages of dating, getting to know a new drummer musically is like dating someone whose language you do not speak. He is trying to ask me to do this one thing on guitar and making hand gestures like he's air strumming and I'm like and he calls my songs by numbers (I think its the count of...something or another). Its quite hysterical. If it is just you and the drummer playing it will take time to get used to the different sound that you haven't heard while working alone. But if I can make a suggestion here, I'd also look for a keyboard, bass, and another guitar player to round out your sound. It sounds like a lot of people to work with at first but you'll soon see that you will all adjust your tone and volume together to get a much more comfortable sound. Just the drums by themselves can sound very loud/harsh but blended with other instruments in a practice session will temper the harshness when you all start finding a balance with each other. You will also have the benefit of other voices to work on harmony parts. If you were just going to add one instrument at a time I'm wondering why you chose to work with a drummer first. Why not another guitar player or keyboard? Sounds like a band to me....and the first one is something you'll never forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valeriy Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 There should be a core in a band including at least three musicians if with a glance to a perspective. Of course, a singer and a songwriter must be among them. A good drummer, this is, certainly, good luck. But in any case when the core is already exists it's usually easier to find other musicians, a good bass player or anyone else because good musicians sometimes (even not infrequently) look for a ready-made or perspective band. But to make a good core of a band it is just the most difficult, here is usually like-minded people, i.e. the coincidence of musical preferences, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted June 7, 2013 Author Share Posted June 7, 2013 If you were just going to add one instrument at a time I'm wondering why you chose to work with a drummer first. Why not another guitar player or keyboard? Sounds like a band to me....and the first one is something you'll never forget. Fraknly, I was originally going to get a drum machine and use a looper and a keyboard. I wanted to have one other person going from guitar to keys and have us switch roles with me singing. Looking for a keyboradist on CL, I saw an ad that said, "female singer songwritter wanted" posted by a drummer (drummers being hard to find) I jumped at the opportunity. Moreover, when I realized, after playing with him, that he has a very critical but polite way of pushing me to better myself I thought... "I am going to learn from him, he will make me better." Even if it doesn't work out, he will have taught me a lot about songwritting and discipline. He has twenty years expirience and I am a total noob at this, so it's scary for me. I find it intimidating, but I like the challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greybeard Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Fraknly, I was originally going to get a drum machine and use a looper and a keyboard. I wanted to have one other person going from guitar to keys and have us switch roles with me singing. Looking for a keyboradist on CL, I saw an ad that said, "female singer songwritter wanted" posted by a drummer (drummers being hard to find) I jumped at the opportunity. Moreover, when I realized, after playing with him, that he has a very critical but polite way of pushing me to better myself I thought... "I am going to learn from him, he will make me better." Even if it doesn't work out, he will have taught me a lot about songwritting and discipline. He has twenty years expirience and I am a total noob at this, so it's scary for me. I find it intimidating, but I like the challenge. I think your first idea has a lot of merit. Having more than one person in your group that can play multiple instruments and sing is a great plus. It gives you a versatility that can't be matched by many groups because of the playing and singing styles that different people have and because many songs require different arrangements that some people just don't catch onto easily. Don't give up on this idea because I know from experience that it is a valuable talent to have in a band. You also have a good point in making your comment about being able to learn from more "seasoned" players. That works on all kinds of levels. You already have a talent for writing and singing well Izzy and your playing will develop very quickly when you play with seasoned musicians. After more than fifty years in music I still like to try to play stuff from new artists and am still learning. GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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