Gibson Artist Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Saw this acoustic git in a used ad. Its a 2000 dollar acoustic new but what i am wondering is how much the ding affects the value and can it be repaired? Any luthiers or people with knowledge in the area greatly appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Searcy Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Who made the guitar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Farnsbarns Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 If it's nitro it can be repaired. To answer in any more detail we'll need more info about the wood, finish, make and model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson Artist Posted August 13, 2013 Author Share Posted August 13, 2013 Who made the guitar? its a Taylor 410-ce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson Artist Posted August 13, 2013 Author Share Posted August 13, 2013 If it's nitro it can be repaired. To answer in any more detail we'll need more info about the wood, finish, make and model. This link gives all the info on woods, finish etc. http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/410ce/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson Artist Posted August 13, 2013 Author Share Posted August 13, 2013 If it's nitro it can be repaired. To answer in any more detail we'll need more info about the wood, finish, make and model. The sweetwater ad says its Ovangkol back and sides with a Satin finish and gloss top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Farnsbarns Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 It's a proprietary finish, UV cured, making it very difficult to repair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson Artist Posted August 13, 2013 Author Share Posted August 13, 2013 It's a proprietary finish, UV cured, making it very difficult to repair. The guy wanted 1k for it, would you say its worth it? Retails 2k but has that ding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Farnsbarns Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Wouldn't bother me. Par for the course really. I re-read my post, I should clarify.... It could be very difficult to repair but there is a smaller chance that it could be easy. Maybe just a case of feathering it out with fine wet'n'dry and blowing over with clear coat of some decription. Being proprietary makes it very hard to know or find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 The guy wanted 1k for it, would you say its worth it? Retails 2k but has that ding. I owned one of those for about 6 months one decade. Warning: Ovangkol is a fancy name for Wood That Feels And Sounds Like Plastic. Good luck with it. rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson Artist Posted August 13, 2013 Author Share Posted August 13, 2013 I owned one of those for about 6 months one decade. Warning: Ovangkol is a fancy name for Wood That Feels And Sounds Like Plastic. Good luck with it. rct Im not sure what a plastic sounds like but would you say its a cheap sound or just different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson Artist Posted August 13, 2013 Author Share Posted August 13, 2013 Wouldn't bother me. Par for the course really. I re-read my post, I should clarify.... It could be very difficult to repair but there is a smaller chance that it could be easy. Maybe just a case of feathering it out with fine wet'n'dry and blowing over with clear coat of some decription. Being proprietary makes it very hard to know or find out. thanks for all your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Im not sure what a plastic sounds like but would you say its a cheap sound or just different? No not cheap, but very different. So I'm an old skewl mahogany or rosewood dread whenever I've needed an acoustic, which hasn't been that often. The Taylors were ripping hot end of the 90's there, so I bought one for the three or four sometimes more acoustic tunes we'd do in a night. It sounded great unplugged, but a little quiet, weak. Plugged into my usual amp it wasn't too bad, close enough for a bar. But it quickly got tiresome, trying to eq it to sound reasonable was a big fail. I'm fairly heavy handed at the strummy end, and hitting that thing just resulted in the sound of tin foil sheets being shaken. I traded it off for some stuff, and ended up with and still have an expensive Ovation. It definitely suited the gigs more,was just great through the same Prosonic the other guitars go into, and stands up to whatever I hit it with. I actually don't record anything without that thing on it somewhere. rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson Artist Posted August 13, 2013 Author Share Posted August 13, 2013 No not cheap, but very different. So I'm an old skewl mahogany or rosewood dread whenever I've needed an acoustic, which hasn't been that often. The Taylors were ripping hot end of the 90's there, so I bought one for the three or four sometimes more acoustic tunes we'd do in a night. It sounded great unplugged, but a little quiet, weak. Plugged into my usual amp it wasn't too bad, close enough for a bar. But it quickly got tiresome, trying to eq it to sound reasonable was a big fail. I'm fairly heavy handed at the strummy end, and hitting that thing just resulted in the sound of tin foil sheets being shaken. I traded it off for some stuff, and ended up with and still have an expensive Ovation. It definitely suited the gigs more,was just great through the same Prosonic the other guitars go into, and stands up to whatever I hit it with. I actually don't record anything without that thing on it somewhere. rct I once bought an 800 dollar ovation in 91 for like 150 because it had a crack down the top. It wasnt bad enough to break it but some people cosmetically might not dig it. The sound was fantastic but i ended up needing a wedding gift for a friend and was going thru hard times and they wanted to start a folk band so i gave it to them. They loved it and let me play it anytime i visited. Ive owned ibanez, martin, epiphone, yamaha, takamine but never a taylor or gibson acoustic. Ive heard the Taylor's necks are notorious for bending. Thank you for your insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson Artist Posted August 13, 2013 Author Share Posted August 13, 2013 No not cheap, but very different. So I'm an old skewl mahogany or rosewood dread whenever I've needed an acoustic, which hasn't been that often. The Taylors were ripping hot end of the 90's there, so I bought one for the three or four sometimes more acoustic tunes we'd do in a night. It sounded great unplugged, but a little quiet, weak. Plugged into my usual amp it wasn't too bad, close enough for a bar. But it quickly got tiresome, trying to eq it to sound reasonable was a big fail. I'm fairly heavy handed at the strummy end, and hitting that thing just resulted in the sound of tin foil sheets being shaken. I traded it off for some stuff, and ended up with and still have an expensive Ovation. It definitely suited the gigs more,was just great through the same Prosonic the other guitars go into, and stands up to whatever I hit it with. I actually don't record anything without that thing on it somewhere. rct One other thing i noticed about the ovation was it stayed in tune better than any git ive ever had. In fact, i paid 1250 for the martin d16-rgt and when i picked it up 3 weeks later it was out of tune. when i picked up the 800 dollar ovation i paid 150 for a month later it was still perfectly in tune! While the wood on the martin felt better quality, the ovation stayed in tune more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 RCT... I'm actually ahead of you on the Ovation AEs. Mine are the original Ovation AEs, Electric Legend and Country Artist from the relatively early 70s. Even then they were quite well suited to gigging compared to even the best all-wood guitars because they'd take what the weather would dish out, and in this part of the world, that isn't what you want messing with your J45 or D28. And the AE ability was worth its weight in gold compared to trying to mike an acoustic. OTOH, yeah, they did/do not sound like a mahogany guitar regardless the strings. But the difference was not enough for anybody in a even a nicer saloon audience to be able to tell one way or another given the sound equipment available at the time - or even now. m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 RCT... I'm actually ahead of you on the Ovation AEs. Mine are the original Ovation AEs, Electric Legend and Country Artist from the relatively early 70s. Even then they were quite well suited to gigging compared to even the best all-wood guitars because they'd take what the weather would dish out, and in this part of the world, that isn't what you want messing with your J45 or D28. And the AE ability was worth its weight in gold compared to trying to mike an acoustic. OTOH, yeah, they did/do not sound like a mahogany guitar regardless the strings. But the difference was not enough for anybody in a even a nicer saloon audience to be able to tell one way or another given the sound equipment available at the time - or even now. m I remember wanting one so bad after Glenn Campbell. In them days there weren't nothing but spensive ones. Mine is a 99 or 2000 Custom Legend #1868. It is the Al Dimeola except natural top not black. I love that thing, it has served me well, straight into whatever amp I'm using, no mic headaches at all. Sadly they have gone the way of the dodo and Corvairs it seems. rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Saw this acoustic git in a used ad. Its a 2000 dollar acoustic new but what i am wondering is how much the ding affects the value and can it be repaired? Are you looking to re-sell (flip) it or play it? If the answer is play it, then you should be asking does the ding affect the sound. And the answer is likely no. Assuming you are looking to play it, then ask yourself does this guitar sound as good or better than other guitars that would cost me $1000. If so, buy it. If not, don't. Simple really - unless you are only concerned with its resale value, in which case I have no advice for you at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson Artist Posted August 14, 2013 Author Share Posted August 14, 2013 Are you looking to re-sell (flip) it or play it? If the answer is play it, then you should be asking does the ding affect the sound. And the answer is likely no. Assuming you are looking to play it, then ask yourself does this guitar sound as good or better than other guitars that would cost me $1000. If so, buy it. If not, don't. Simple really - unless you are only concerned with its resale value, in which case I have no advice for you at all. I was hoping to flip it for a Rickenbacker but with that ding i dont think i could.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btoth76 Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Hello! I hope this one will help You: Cheers... Bence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender 4 Life Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 a dose of dark brown shoe polish & buff would all but hide that ding furniture touch up pen before some clear gloss it's not gonna be perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Taylor Finishes are easy to repair as long as you know what you are doing. you can't treat the repair like Nitro or Lacquer. I can tell you first hand, if you find a repair guy who knows what he's doing, it will be easy and not expensive. The right viscosity (or several various ones) of Super glue and some good buffing out will make it all but disappear unless you know what you're doing, this isn't a DIY thing tho.. you really do need to understand the "process" to repair something like this. but it is NOT hard. if you really wanted to get "down to it" if you call Taylor, they will set up a return and fix it for you.. and the repair will be 100% Here's the damage I had done to my Taylor GS. Before: After the fix which was done in a matter of a few days, and cost me about 45 bucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btoth76 Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Hello Ray! +1. That's what my post was about. I've found that video very convincing, now it's good to hear and see from a fellow forum member that it really works! Cheers... Bence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 +1. That's what my post was about. I've found that video very convincing, now it's good to hear and see from a fellow forum member that it really works! Cheers... Bence Indeed Bence,, according to the person who I took it to, (who's got decades of experience and is among the best I've ever used), Taylor finishes are very easy to fix, it's just an entirely different process. I pm'd the OP, so hopefully he sees this. He's not far from where I am, maybe he could even call the same guy I had work on mine. Rock on my friend! /Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 incidentally,, about this. Ive heard the Taylor's necks are notorious for bending. I've got a 2000 314CE, and a 2005 GS Series. The necks on mine are very stable, should mention that I do keep them in their cases, and watch the RH Levels so they stay pretty consistent in their humidity status. and lastly, based on other condition factors of that guitar, (fret wear, road wear etc.) $1k could be within reason. I would have to know more about this one to offer more insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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