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passthej45

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Ok time to redeem myself...... A few days ago in EA's "what's your best recording "thread, in a moment of severe lack of judgement, intoxication, temporary insanity or brain temporarily taken over by martians, not sure which, I had the unmitigated audacity , the nerve to post a recording , on this forum of a BANJO !!!!!! Now it wasn't accompanied by a Taylor or anything THAT bad , but still....

So I figured it was time to make it up to ya'll. I have a J45 Standard that I love(everyone loves theirs , I know) and my guitar buddy and I (the dude that played the said banjo) are always sitting around yakking about whether or not the J45 TV could really be that much better to warrant the now 3,499.oo price tag and also can the J35 be as good as it's supposed to be for the 1600.oo. We have played neither or even seen one in the flesh. Well I just got a credit card with a bit of head room on it so I pull up the Sweetwater website to do a little ordering. A J35 and a J45 TV. So we will put them up against each other for a few days in the privacy and quiet of a private home.....none of this 30 minutes in a Guitar center with a bunch on teenagers crunching on metal amps and kids banging on drum sets . BUT HERE IS WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING........Sweetwater always posts pics of the actual guitar , serial number included. Well neither one of the TV have pickguards ??? I thought I was seeing things(now don't get me wrong , I was on the forefront of the no pickguard movement and did the blow dryer dental floss removal technique on mine before any tan lines developed. But herein lies my concern. Although I have pulled the trigger , I am shooting blanks, maybe. As you would guess I will certainly not be keeping both(oh yeah I would love to , but realistically that would be impossible) and very possibly be sending back both . So I'm worried about having no protection on the top of the J45 TV and maybe having to send it back. AND HERE'S WHERE IT GETS EVEN MORE INTERESTING........I called the service rep at Sweetwater and he said the guitars are photographed just as they come from Bozeman right out of the case. He speculated that the pick guard was included with a sticky back and you could put in on yourself , WTF???????? Has anyone heard of this? And also could some of you guys go to the website look at the J45 TV to confirm that my eyesight isn't failing me ?

So in the name of science I am going to spend a few bucks on return shipping to find out for myself. The BBT (big brown truck ) is supposed to come on Tues. I'll do a review with pics and sound bytes . May take me a week or two. So look for it . I will call it J45tv/J35/J45 Standard death match up date. Wish me luck.

 

the infraction ....the guilty, the ugly THE BANJO TRACK

http://snd.sc/15k3LUf

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ParlourMan

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Apparently they're now included in the case... Read this on here last week actually. My speculation on the issue is that it's a response to the PG issue here and on other forums/threads of gibson interest.

 

Lets be honest, there are a lot of specs/appointments geeks here and the current placement had been criticized fairly extensively. By including it in the case you cover your back from both perspectives.

 

A - they attach it in line with vintage accuracy, some will say yay, lots will post about the bottom rim of the sound hole not being protected and how dings are chewing up the edges etc...

 

B - they attach it as per recent production standard and get a fairly endless backlash about all things vintage not being respected and how it's a disaster scenario that icons would be 'messed with' and history being 'disrespected' ... Come on some of the rants have been fairly colourful ;)

 

I'm all for it, I'd do the same if I was in charge, 'here you go, install it as you see fit and less of the moaning sonny-Jim'.

 

When it came my turn, I agreed that I thought visually the rosette should have been seen all the way around, so I ripped off the scratch plate on a new guitar to install my own in the 'correct' position according to my tastes. From that you can easily gather I would have greatly preferred a naked one with the guard ready to be installed as I saw fit.

 

Good move if you ask me.

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sangeth

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Ok time to redeem myself...... A few days ago in EA's "what's your best recording "thread, in a moment of severe lack of judgement, intoxication, temporary insanity or brain temporarily taken over by martians, not sure which, I had the unmitigated audacity , the nerve to post a recording , on this forum of a BANJO !!!!!! Now it wasn't accompanied by a Taylor or anything THAT bad , but still....

So I figured it was time to make it up to ya'll. I have a J45 Standard that I love(everyone loves theirs , I know) and my guitar buddy and I (the dude that played the said banjo) are always sitting around yakking about whether or not the J45 TV could really be that much better to warrant the now 3,499.oo price tag and also can the J35 be as good as it's supposed to be for the 1600.oo. We have played neither or even seen one in the flesh. Well I just got a credit card with a bit of head room on it so I pull up the Sweetwater website to do a little ordering. A J35 and a J45 TV. So we will put them up against each other for a few days in the privacy and quiet of a private home.....none of this 30 minutes in a Guitar center with a bunch on teenagers crunching on metal amps and kids banging on drum sets . BUT HERE IS WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING........Sweetwater always posts pics of the actual guitar , serial number included. Well neither one of the TV have pickguards ??? I thought I was seeing things(now don't get me wrong , I was on the forefront of the no pickguard movement and did the blow dryer dental floss removal technique on mine before any tan lines developed. But herein lies my concern. Although I have pulled the trigger , I am shooting blanks, maybe. As you would guess I will certainly not be keeping both(oh yeah I would love to , but realistically that would be impossible) and very possibly be sending back both . So I'm worried about having no protection on the top of the J45 TV and maybe having to send it back. AND HERE'S WHERE IT GETS EVEN MORE INTERESTING........I called the service rep at Sweetwater and he said the guitars are photographed just as they come from Bozeman right out of the case. He speculated that the pick guard was included with a sticky back and you could put in on yourself , WTF???????? Has anyone heard of this? And also could some of you guys go to the website look at the J45 TV to confirm that my eyesight isn't failing me ?

So in the name of science I am going to spend a few bucks on return shipping to find out for myself. The BBT (big brown truck ) is supposed to come on Tues. I'll do a review with pics and sound bytes . May take me a week or two. So look for it . I will call it J45tv/J35/J45 Standard death match up date. Wish me luck.

 

the infraction ....the guilty, the ugly THE BANJO TRACK

http://snd.sc/15k3LUf

 

haha awesome look forward to your review. enjoy yourself!

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Yggdrasil

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I prefer a loose pickguard included in the case.

 

If I had a choice, being a bare-fingers fingerpicker, I'd have no pickguard.

 

When I ordered my sunburst Martin Jorma Sig, I asked for no pickguard installed, but please include it in the case.

 

Martin wouldn't do that - they did "no pickguard", but wouldn't send a non-installed one loose.

 

I don't really care - I'd likely do a Greven if I ever did a pickguard on that guitar, but I did think it odd.

 

On the shootout: I'm astonished by the number of 2013 J35s already for sale on the various forums & eBay. I suppose it could be a function of numbers sold, but it is a bit disconcerting. (But then, being a shallow BurstGuy, I'd never buy one anyway! :-)

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Sounds like an interesting comparison. Looking-forward to it..Regarding the pick guard---Unless someone is a total fingerpicker and absolutely never allows someone else (even friends who let you play their nice guitars) to play their guitar, I'd want a pick guard on the guitar. It's all personal choice, but I tend to like pick guards.

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If you're "me," you do not want to put the pick guard on the guitar, yourself. I know it's a relatively easy thing to do, but if you're "me," it's best you let someone else do it....I agree, it's a tough call on whither or not you put it on. Don't want any scratches on the guitar if you need to return it.

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For what it's worth, I've tended to add a pickguard to guitars that didn't have them.

 

In the past that included even my classical guitars given that I tended to do some Flamenco that made such things practical - and they come in "clear" as well as white. I preferred the clear.

 

Nowadays I have one flattop that didn't come with a pickguard. Taylor has a clear "static electricity hold" pickguard that works well enough and you really can't even tell it's there.

 

And I'm purely a fingerpicker on that guitar. Still... there's a cupla little scratches on the plastic already.

 

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Somewhere in this tale of redemption, banjo infiltration, death matches, buying guitars based on pictures, the pickguard what is it good for thing, and whatever I am sure there is some meaning but darned if I can figure out what it is. But then again I am coming off a six hour session and I am tired and my hands feel like hamburger.

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zombywoof

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It shouldn't. Nazareth Music Center does this on all their guitars if you want to play a guitar with a pick.

 

 

I have put more pickguards on guitars than I can recall and have always used painter's tape to make sure they stay where I want them to be. Never any problem at all with clean up. In fact there was never much to clean up.

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