Rabs Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 So I always wondered why they don't seem to do bass guitar reviews.. but here it is (sort of) :) Tremolo on a bass?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoreyT Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 I saw that earlier, I agree they should do more. But they should use Robb's bass player for the reviews too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted September 3, 2013 Author Share Posted September 3, 2013 I saw that earlier, I agree they should do more. But they should use Robb's bass player for the reviews too. Yeah they should have got a proper bass player too.. In fact in this case it would have been really interesting to see how each handled a guitar/bass that is such a hybrid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Searcy Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 I'm always a bit disappointed when these guys are reviewing in instrument they know nothing about. Very entertaining but not too informative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted September 3, 2013 Author Share Posted September 3, 2013 I'm always a bit disappointed when these guys are reviewing in instrument they know nothing about. Very entertaining but not too informative. Yeah id agree with that... What do you make of them (the guitars not the presenters :P)? I know six strings have been around a long time, but these seem even more of a hybrid than that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyK Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 I prefer the Allen Woody collection... RIP big man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 I prefer the Allen Woody collection... RIP big man. The Allmans were super on fire for a few years there, Warren and Allen, Betts was on top of his stuff for quite a while, Gregg was actually singing, Gregg and Dickie were actually getting along, would see them hugging and chokin Marlbls back stage together instead of out the back door and into separate busses immediately. So Government Mule comes to the jersey shore, little venue. Abts was Dickies drummer from long ago so I figured I'd go see them, they gotta be good right? We get there early, walk on the boardwalk little bit. Coming up to the Music Pier I see them three out there, hanging by the water on the beach, just smokin and jokin I guess. Nobody around. Coulda went right on up to them guys and shot the shite and all that. I didn't, they looked happy to be on the beach, didn't need no joker messing up their time like that. Not much after that he passed. Sorry I didn't go out there that night. rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Searcy Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Yeah id agree with that... What do you make of them (the guitars not the presenters :P)? I know six strings have been around a long time, but these seem even more of a hybrid than that? This is more accurately called a Baritone guitar. The strings are not bass guitar strings and the low E is not a 100. "Light" strings for this guitar are typically 13-65. A typical Baritone scale is about 30" (76.2 cm). There are some 27" scales but they arn;t the norm. While the Fender Bass 6 is nice I much prefer the DanElectro Baritones. The feel a lot better to me and sound fantastic. I think the Baritone or "six string bass" concept was most popular in Nashville studios in the 1960's. In a style called "Tic Tac bass" these baritone guitars would be palm muted and used to double the bass line that the upright bass was playing. Usually panned hard left and hard right. In fact if you show one o these to a Nashville session player he will likely call it a Tic Tac bass. Here's an example. But one of my favorite all time uses of a Fender Bass 6 as a main instrument is this classic. What a simple and effective solo. I'm currently in the process of thinning out my herd. Sold a Les Paul last week and thinking of selling another one and my SilverTone and who knows what else. But when it's all done I'll be adding DanElectro Baritone to my collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Searcy Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 For a slightly more modern use of the Baritone guitar there's Robert Smith who played one for years as his main instrument and really was a corner stone of the Cure's sound. Now he has a signature Schecter Baritone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted September 4, 2013 Author Share Posted September 4, 2013 This is more accurately called a Baritone guitar. The strings are not bass guitar strings and the low E is not a 100. "Light" strings for this guitar are typically 13-65. A typical Baritone scale is about 30" (76.2 cm). While the Fender Bass 6 is nice I much prefer the DanElectro Baritones. The feel a lot better to me and sound fantastic. I think the Baritone or "six string bass" concept was most popular in Nashville studios in the 1960's. In a style called "Tic Tac bass" these baritone guitars would be palm muted and used to double the bass line that the upright bass was playing. Usually panned hard left and hard right. Here's an example. But one of my favorite all time uses of a Fender Bass 6 as a main instrument is this classic. What a simple and effective solo. I'm currently in the process of thinning out my herd. Sold a Les Paul last week and thinking of selling another one and my SilverTone and who knows what else. But when it's all done I'll be adding DanElectro Baritone to my collection. Now you see, theres a man who knows his s**t :) Yeah I wasn't quite sure if it qualified as a baritone guitar, these seem even more of a hybrid.. ? Then theres the question of where youd get suitable strings for one of these? (I have never even looked at baritone options? :)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Searcy Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 I'm not sure what you mean by hybrid. If you think along the lines of the violin family the baritone guitar would be like a cello. The guitar like a violin and the bass guitar like a double bass. I don't know about the UK but strings aren't too hard to find here in Nashville. This is what I want. At about 43 sec in he shows you what it does best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted September 4, 2013 Author Share Posted September 4, 2013 I'm not sure what you mean by hybrid. If you think along the lines of the violin family the baritone guitar would be like a cello. The guitar like a violin and the bass guitar like a double bass. I don't know about the UK but strings aren't too hard to find here in Nashville. This is what I want. At about 43 sec in he shows you what it does best. Well its not something I know that much about (yet :)).. From what I can see a baritone guitar is more like a guitar in the way its played and the features (like the switching options)... These Fenders seem more like a 6 string bass with guitar features (the tremolo and switching).. And the way its played.. With the baritone guitar its played like a guitar with lower tuning (im assuming) but with these they seem more like basses. When they tried to play them like guitars it didn't sound quite right. So that's why I say hybrid, these seem in between a baritone guitar and a six string bass. Of course ive never played any of them so I can only assume :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Searcy Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 I think it's more the way these two decided to try to play them that makes them seem more bass than guitar. Watch the Glen Campbell or Cure videos and see them being played in a more guitar like fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan H Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 This is more accurately called a Baritone guitar. The strings are not bass guitar strings and the low E is not a 100. "Light" strings for this guitar are typically 13-65. A typical Baritone scale is about 30" (76.2 cm). There are some 27" scales but they arn;t the norm. The guitar ships with a 24-84 set, but Fender sells these specifically for the guitar Look familiar? Those are bass strings, not baritone strings. It's tuned E to E, one octave down, which isn't common for Baritones as far as I know. It's a short scale 6 string bass, not a baritone. 30" for the scale length is a short scale or the lower end of a medium scale bass. -Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 This is more accurately called a Baritone guitar. The strings are not bass guitar strings...A typical Baritone scale is about 30" (76.2 cm). There are some 27" scales but they arn;t the norm... Hmm...I'm going to have to disagree with you here, Searcy. I don't know much about Baritone guitars - hardly anything, so I Googled it - but the Fender Bass VI is, AFAIK, a true Bass Guitar, albeit of the short-scale variety. Sure, Baritone guitars can have a scale length from 27" - 30" but - from what I've read - these instruments are tuned to either a third; fourth or fifth below regular pitch. The Fender Bass VI has a 30" scale length but was specifically designed to be tuned one whole octave down and is, as I understand it, a bass guitar. Bass guitars can have scale lengths from 30" to 34 1/2". The former, obviously, are known as 'short-scale' basses and amongst their number, as well as various Fender models, we must include Gibson's own, and famous, EB-0, EB-1 and EB-3 basses. P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Searcy Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 "The guitar ships with a 24-84 set, but Fender sells these specifically for the guitar" Yea, I know it ships with a heavy set. The numbers I mentioned are a light set. That's why I called them a light set. Look familiar? Those are bass strings, not baritone strings. No, those are fender style baritone guitar strings. A six string bass set looks like this. It's tuned E to E, one octave down, which isn't common for Baritones as far as I know. Correct, and a six string bass is tuned B,E,A,D,G,C. The reason you don't think of an E to E tuning as common for a baritone guitar is because you're a child and have grown up in a world where little metal heads call everything they play with a note on it lower than low E a "baritone". I have seen this term used to describe everything from 27" drop tuned guitars to extended rage 8 strings guitars. This leave us in a world where young guys like you will have one concept of a baritone guitar while old guys like me will have a different one. So what do we do to clear things up? Well, much like the confusion around the word "tremolo" I refer back to the originator. The six string, E to E tuned, Baritone guitar was invented in 1956 by DanElectro. Fender later copied the concept and called it a bass 6. They could have called it a pumpkin, it still would be a Baritone guitar. Now if you really want to muddy the waters go look up the various types and tuning of the "Piccolo Bass". It's a short scale 6 string bass, not a baritone. 30" for the scale length is a short scale or the lower end of a medium scale bass. No, it's a baritone guitar. Scale length does not dictate what an instrument is. If it did then a Gibson Mandocello would be a guitar. Have fun nitpicking my next post Ryan. I know it's your second favorite hobby. [thumbup] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I admire the cut of your jib, Mr. Searcy. Schoolin 'em old school. If I were you though, I'da dismounted with "If you can't do it with a P or a J, get another hobby". rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 It's tuned E to E, one octave down, which isn't common for Baritones as far as I know. It's a short scale 6 string bass, not a baritone. 30" for the scale length is a short scale or the lower end of a medium scale bass. No, it's a baritone guitar. Scale length does not dictate what an instrument is. If it did then a Gibson Mandocello would be a guitar. I'll stand corrected too, Searcy! P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan H Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 "The guitar ships with a 24-84 set, but Fender sells these specifically for the guitar" Yea, I know it ships with a heavy set. The numbers I mentioned are a light set. That's why I called them a light set. Look familiar? Those are bass strings, not baritone strings. No, those are fender style baritone guitar strings. A six string bass set looks like this. It's tuned E to E, one octave down, which isn't common for Baritones as far as I know. Correct, and a six string bass is tuned B,E,A,D,G,C. The reason you don't think of an E to E tuning as common for a baritone guitar is because you're a child and have grown up in a world where little metal heads call everything they play with a note on it lower than low E a "baritone". I have seen this term used to describe everything from 27" drop tuned guitars to extended rage 8 strings guitars. This leave us in a world where young guys like you will have one concept of a baritone guitar while old guys like me will have a different one. So what do we do to clear things up? Well, much like the confusion around the word "tremolo" I refer back to the originator. The six string, E to E tuned, Baritone guitar was invented in 1956 by DanElectro. Fender later copied the concept and called it a bass 6. They could have called it a pumpkin, it still would be a Baritone guitar. Now if you really want to muddy the waters go look up the various types and tuning of the "Piccolo Bass". It's a short scale 6 string bass, not a baritone. 30" for the scale length is a short scale or the lower end of a medium scale bass. No, it's a baritone guitar. Scale length does not dictate what an instrument is. If it did then a Gibson Mandocello would be a guitar. Have fun nitpicking my next post Ryan. I know it's your second favorite hobby. [thumbup] No nitpicking from me, I can tell when I'm wrong. Well played. -Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrNylon Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Jack Bruce used a Fender Vl Bass on Cream's first album, Fresh Cream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 So if a bass and a guitar had a baby? Call it whatever but its cool sounding in that country vid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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