milod Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 The problem isn't with an individual, or even as you note, a family "tradition." The problem has to do with how children socialize in groups and what guidance they may or may not receive from adults. Setting rules with "no tolerance" as in theory is the rule in current U.S. schools I'm aware of, gives no real opportunity to teach much of anything. That's my point more than anything. I'll add that "no tolerance" policies of much of anything ain't my favorite nor that of most teachers, cops and prosecuting attorneys I know. Again, the biggest current problem with bullying around here - and I have a pretty direct wire to school admin - tends to be connected with non-violent but nasty sorts of words, immediate and on the internet in various ways. The problem with that is that there's no "web" recourse nor much of any sort of recourse and the perp gets away with it. That's the problem in a nutshell regardless: The perp gets away with it. I think this quote may be recognized, although it's seldom read or considered much nowadays. To be, or not to be--that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune Or to take arms against a sea of troubles And by opposing end them. To die, to sleep-- No more--and by a sleep to say we end The heartache, and the thousand natural shocks That flesh is heir to. 'Tis a consummation Devoutly to be wished. To die, to sleep-- To sleep--perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub, For in that sleep of death what dreams may come When we have shuffled off this mortal coil, Must give us pause. There's the respect That makes calamity of so long life. For who would bear the whips and scorns of time, Th' oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely The pangs of despised love, the law's delay, The insolence of office, and the spurns That patient merit of th' unworthy takes, When he himself might his quietus make With a bare bodkin? Who would fardels bear, To grunt and sweat under a weary life, But that the dread of something after death, The undiscovered country, from whose bourn No traveller returns, puzzles the will, And makes us rather bear those ills we have Than fly to others that we know not of? Thus conscience does make cowards of us all, And thus the native hue of resolution Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought, And enterprise of great pitch and moment With this regard their currents turn awry And lose the name of action. m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbluesplayer Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Not to mention that I bought three brand new Gibsons in the last five years. That's why I get to hassle Henry. Cause I'm a regular customer. Plus, I'm entitled to be able to post an opinion here without being pounced on. Sheesh. What you have to do to accomodate the humanity deputies!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted September 16, 2013 Author Share Posted September 16, 2013 Yeah, a lot of a child's "learning Curve" we had, no longer exists. It's been legislated out of existance, even if it was "well meaning." "Zero Tolerance" is meaningless, for thugs, and criminals...which unchecked, unreformed bullies, often become. Technology has allowed for a more diverse type of bullying, and as mentioned, makes it difficult (if not impossible) to regulate responses, or punish, as we were more able to, "face to face," back in the day. That propagated frustration, by well meaning people, as well as the victims, leads to over-reaction, punishments that are sometimes beyond the scope of the deed. Understandable, but not particularly meaningful, in the long run. As to "women" bullies? Since my return, to "God's Country," from wicked So Cal/Los Angeles, and my resuming playing music, in bars (mostly)...I've seen 5-6 knock down, drag out, fights! ALL were by women! Far more vicious, vindictive, and out right brutal/bloody, than ANY fight I saw, growing up, by boys, or men! They don't (seem to) "let it go," either. When I was a teen, if guys fought, they fought..then, they (often) laughed about it, later... even bought one another a drink! At worst, they left, or just "let it go!" The women (I saw)...didn't, and wouldn't do that! Those fights lasted a lot longer, initially, as well. So...??? They seem to be a lot angrier, about something, than they were, in my day. CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 BTW, I just got this news release on a film about cyber bullying. According to local and state school officials I know, this seems to fit the current scene: ... It includes interviews with kids, academics, psychologically trained professionals, educators, parents, and law enforcement officials. The statistical information it offers about online bullying (and, tangentially, sexting) is well integrated with the fabric of the movie's intent: to reveal the profound emotional impact of cyberbullying and to propose positive ways of countering it. Cyberbullying is epidemic, the experts testify -- and most of them are stymied by their inability to maintain damage control. Kids are afraid to fight back, afraid to get involved when others are being hurt, and they struggle to avoid intimidation themselves. But the filmmakers aren't satisfied with that bleak picture. They counter with theories that do work -- primarily teaching empathy and educating those they term "bystanders," who are deemed to be the best defense against the predators” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted September 17, 2013 Author Share Posted September 17, 2013 BTW, I just got this news release on a film about cyber bullying. According to local and state school officials I know, this seems to fit the current scene: ... It includes interviews with kids, academics, psychologically trained professionals, educators, parents, and law enforcement officials. The statistical information it offers about online bullying (and, tangentially, sexting) is well integrated with the fabric of the movie's intent: to reveal the profound emotional impact of cyberbullying and to propose positive ways of countering it. Cyberbullying is epidemic, the experts testify -- and most of them are stymied by their inability to maintain damage control. Kids are afraid to fight back, afraid to get involved when others are being hurt, and they struggle to avoid intimidation themselves. But the filmmakers aren't satisfied with that bleak picture. They counter with theories that do work -- primarily teaching empathy and educating those they term "bystanders," who are deemed to be the best defense against the predators” Milod...Can you give us the name of the film, or the link?! Is it called: "Cyberbully," or possibly "Disconnect?" CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/9/prweb11126453.htm I got it elsewhere, but it's in "deleted items" in somebody else's "deleted" box - #$%#@$% This is the one though. (I only have 340 in one deleted mailbox and 5-600 in another awaiting Yahoo to delete, and 200 or so in another account and... That's just since Monday afternoon.) m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted September 17, 2013 Author Share Posted September 17, 2013 http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/9/prweb11126453.htm I got it elsewhere, but it's in "deleted items" in somebody else's "deleted" box - #$%#@$% This is the one though. (I only have 340 in one deleted mailbox and 5-600 in another awaiting Yahoo to delete, and 200 or so in another account and... That's just since Monday afternoon.) m Thanks, Milod....looks interesting! I'll check it out, whenever it comes around, or goes on NetFlix! CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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