Rabs Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Errrm... hmmm... Errmmmmm... im not quite sure what to say about that... Its kinda sad that the Moderne which was like a mythical guitar until a few years ago is being used lol.. Does Zakk purposely design the ugliest guitars he can think of??? :P And I just saw this in the description "and topped with a beautiful dark Grade-A Richlite™ fingerboard" ..... Really?!!!!! $2,082msrp •Solid Grade-A mahogany body with Grade-A maple top •Grade-A Maple neck with Zakk’s preferred profile •Powerfull EMG™ 85® and EMG™ 81® active humbucking pickups in the neck and bridge positions •Genuine Floyd Rose™ vibrato. •Grover™ tuners with 14:1 tuning ratio http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/Designer/Gibson-USA/Zakk-Wylde-Moderne-with-Floyd-Rose.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHTom Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 I have to be honest......I'm totally sick of anything with Zak or Slash on it...... They are everywhere.......guitars, amps, pedals, accessories.......everywhere. Both are amazing players and I'm not against them at all, but the marketing departments from these companies have got to give it a break. There are plenty of other great players out there with great tone to give signature products to. Just my grouchy two cents.....lol NHTom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick_s Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Just no :( It makes me want to cry. It's not a good looking guitar at all, and to top it off, it will sound sterile with a plastic board and EMG's :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaleb Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 My eyes! It burns! Seriously, it looks like a piece of sporting equipment, not a guitar. Meanwhile, I'll be waiting for the return of the shattered mirror Les Paul from No West For The Wicked... Now THAT was a looker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 My butt is prettier than that. And I'm 53. P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Bleeech! That guy can make any guitar ugly (and I like the Moderne as a rule). I bet it sounds like a$$ too with those EMGs. They shoulda made it a cheap Epiphone so the kids could afford it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted October 15, 2013 Author Share Posted October 15, 2013 They shoulda made it a cheap Epiphone so the kids could afford it. Yeah totally.. like they did with this monstrosity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Yeah totally.. like they did with this monstrosity The weird thing is I can visualise, effortlessly, a bunch of non-guitarist, MBA-equipped 'yes-men' sitting around a board-room table thinking "Marry an SG with an Explorer?! Where can we possibly go wrong?!" Voila! P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Searcy Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 I like everything but the stripes. Some freaky colors would help it out. I have 4 basses with plastic fingerboards. Next to ebony they are my absolute favorite boards to play. I wish more makers would look into plastic fingerboards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaleb Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 The guitar itself is not ugly, it's that graphic that is ugly. I think it would look better in a gloss black, with the BLS logo or something if it has to be a Zakk model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 ...I have 4 basses with plastic fingerboards. Next to ebony they are my absolute favorite boards to play. I wish more makers would look into plastic fingerboards. I've played some Gibsons and some Hagstroms with Richlite/equivalent 'boards and agree that they are very like ebony to play. Very nice indeed. ...I just saw this in the description "and topped with a beautiful dark Grade-A Richlite™ fingerboard" .... At a rough guess you can probably get different grades of Richlite depending on end-use. Grade A being for small-scale fine craft stuff and lower grades for larger-scale industrial applications where fine-ness of grade might matter less? As I say; just a guess. P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btoth76 Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Zakk sells out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capmaster Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Yeah totally.. like they did with this monstrosity The weird thing is I can visualise, effortlessly, a bunch of non-guitarist, MBA-equipped 'yes-men' sitting around a board-room table thinking "Marry an SG with an Explorer?! Where can we possibly go wrong?!" Voila! P. I think they married an SG with a Flying V in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 I think they married an SG with a Flying V in this case. Sorry! Forgot to engage brain! I suppose that's why I'm never invited to sit around a board-room table...LOL! Thanks, Cap! Carry on! P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capmaster Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 No problem here, P. Now that you started the idea of marrying an SG with an Explorer, there may appear a bunch of non-guitarists around a board-room table and decide to let it become reality. I hope they will let pass some royalties to you - better you save a copy of this topic in case they will erase it. ;) There are many things around us discovered, invented or designed by accident - why not an S-Plorer, too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveinspain Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Ya know it's not that bad, kinda cool if you ask me... just sayin'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 I think THIS one is pretty cool; I agree with Kaleb's comment above; "The guitar itself is not ugly, it's that graphic that is ugly." Somehow the Zakk one looks to have put on about 40 lbs in weight. I think it's the slab of Maple and the step-edge to the Mahogany body which does that. P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capmaster Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Perhaps Zakk likes his guitars looking really heavy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capmaster Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 OK, I forgot there has to be enough flesh in the body to suit a Floyd Rose system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 OK, I forgot there has to be enough flesh in the body to suit a Floyd Rose system. That might well be the reason, Cap. I'm not familiar with the F-R vibrato system. The only thing is the F-R seems to be set into the maple cap as opposed to being on top of it - but is that how they usually work? I really have no idea. P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick_s Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 That might well be the reason, Cap. I'm not familiar with the F-R vibrato system. The only thing is the F-R seems to be set into the maple cap as opposed to being on top of it - but is that how they usually work? I really have no idea. P. They can be routed out underneath the trem to allow for extreme levels of pullup, Dimebag was the master of the pullup. My Jackson is routed underneath, my Strat is not, it's different strokes and all that :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capmaster Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 That might well be the reason, Cap. I'm not familiar with the F-R vibrato system. The only thing is the F-R seems to be set into the maple cap as opposed to being on top of it - but is that how they usually work? I really have no idea. P. The Floyd Rose system of my Ibanez RG 430 is top monted, my four Fender FR Strats are slightly routed around the bushings and studs, and that of my Gibson Alex Lifeson Les Paul Axcess is built into a deep routing of the maple top. They all use "normal" FR systems originally intended for top mount. The 1986 Ibanez has an Ibanez Edge I, I retrofitted two of my Fender from the original stock FR to the heaviest Schaller model, the AL LP Axcess came stock with the Graph Tech LB63CR piezo system, and I had two of my Fenders retrofitted by the Thomann workshop using the same Graph Tech system. Playing acoustic tones through the same type of piezo FR system, I hear very well the differences in woods, design and construction between the Les Paul and the Stratocasters. However, the purest acoustic tones are provided by my hardtail piezo guitars, one SG Supra and three Fender Nashville Power Telecasters. Due to the height left underneath, the position on the AL LP Axcess enables me to pull up four half notes on the G3rd. The Ibanez RG 430 is designed to provide a certain neck angle which allows for pulling four steps on the G3rd as well. The Fenders are varying between two and three steps, depending on their tolerances since I didn't change the neck angles from the flat mounting position. This comparison is valid since I use Optima .010" chrome wounds on all of them, and the shorter scale of the Gibson doesn't affect the range that much. There are lowered FR systems offered, too, which forcibly require a routing, and are designed to provide more comfort for the picking hand. Their fine tuner screws practically are out of the way. However, they don't bother me anyhow. All of my FR systems perform like a dream, from slightly shimmering effects to dive bombs. OK, I am a bit of a scrutinizer when it goes around setups... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Thanks very much for the answers, nick and Cap. But I'm still not quite sure if that's the reason the Moderne has an extra layer of maple over the mahogany............. Without the maple could Gibson have used a surface-mounted F-R? Are these as 'good' as the rout-mounted ones? Are they, in fact, the same Vibrato but which just need to be used in a different manner? Because I think the maple slab is really the big eye-sore on this model. The graphics could be sanded-off; but that wood... P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capmaster Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Thanks very much for the answers, nick and Cap. But I'm still not quite sure if that's the reason the Moderne has an extra layer of maple over the mahogany............. Without the maple could Gibson have used a surface-mounted F-R? Are these as 'good' as the rout-mounted ones? Are they, in fact, the same Vibrato but which just need to be used in a different manner? P. Thea are used the same manner, but as Nick pointed out, too, the routed top allows for more pitch pull-up with the same neck angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 I've got that, finally, Cap but my question is does the F-R system require a thicker body-blank than the standard Moderne? Is that why the ZW Moderne has an extra layer of maple stuck to the top? To make it thick enough for a F-R ? P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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