milod Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Actually I can get buffalo here... It's a regular in one of the grocery stores. Pretty much the same genetics as would have been roaming here 5,000 years ago. But... <grin> Yeah, living in an ag community I'm constantly reminded how folks don't quite always understand just how much genetic messing around our food supply had even 2,000 years ago. m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quapman Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 I love me some buffalo ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quapman Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 But... <grin> Yeah, living in an ag community I'm constantly reminded how folks don't quite always understand just how much genetic messing around our food supply had even 2,000 years ago. m Try not to get to down Bro. Think of is as 'evolution'. Nothing could be done to stop it. It is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Grow your own food? I was considering just buying a little farm (cheaper taxes) and growing a few things like potatoes and such...I mean, with a few chickens and a goat I'd have breakfast covered, yeah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryUK Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Tesco have had constant increases in profit like that. It's fallen in the last couple of years. But the Gas and Electric companies do too. The UK is the capital of rip off. Would you pay $10 a gallon for petrol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryUK Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Grow your own food? I was considering just buying a little farm (cheaper taxes) and growing a few things like potatoes and such...I mean, with a few chickens and a goat I'd have breakfast covered, yeah? Here in the UK, there's been a massive increase in people growing cannabis. They grow it to earn. People are getting desperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Here in the UK, there's been a massive increase in people growing cannabis. They grow it to earn. People are getting desperate. Erm...well, this is Texas and most our farms have to make a living somehow. I understand. I'd love to grow FOOD...organic, non-GMO, cruelty-free. If I was gonna grow medicinal plants I'd never sell that stuff, but I'm not the type. It would take cancer to get me interested in that sort of thing. The stuff is GREAT for nausea and anorexia. If I grew the veggies that are expensive and had milk and eggs I'd save a lot. Beans and corn is all I need besides fruits and veggies, I mean really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trapezoid Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Hi All....don't know what it's like, in your various areas, but I suspect it's not much different, if at all, to what we're experiencing, here. What's it like, where you are/shop? I've given up the national brands and have started to purchase the store brands{generic}. Can keep the costs down a bit, while adjusting the taste buds to the difference. Have gotten used to it now. :blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobF_ Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Grow your own food? I was considering just buying a little farm (cheaper taxes) and growing a few things like potatoes and such...I mean, with a few chickens and a goat I'd have breakfast covered, yeah? Start small to see what you can really get in return for your effort. I grow quite a bit, but there are multiple 'enemies' out there to work against you. Insects, wildlife, temperature, moisture, fertility ... Depending on which and how many of these are problematic in you area, you can quickly find that you'll spend more for lower quality food than what you buy from a major chain. At a minimum, you need soil and temps that are cooperative. For example, if temps are too high when your food is reaching maturity, no amount of supplemental irrigation will save the crop. Not trying to be a downer, but growing/raising quality food is expensive and labor intensive - and the smaller the operation, the more this is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyMoon Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 You can get Goat milk and cows milk......so I was thinking of starting my own business to supplement.....Chicken Milk!..I think this could go over big, anyone wanna get in on this? the other venture I was thinking about was a combination Strip joint Funeral parlor ( with optional doughnut coffee stand)..I figure the 2 things economy wont affect ..vices and death......We put the "fun" in funeral!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjsinla Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Hi All....don't know what it's like, in your various areas, but I suspect it's not much different, if at all, to what we're experiencing, here. Food prices, are out of control! Criminally high/ridiculous!! I suppose that's ok, IF you're a millionaire, or newly "oil riche" (as some are, in this area, now), and not on a somewhat (small) fixed income? But, those that are, it's really a problem. I have chosen (out of necessity) to drive 25 miles (each way), just to go grocery shopping (at the area Walmart) for some items...as my local grocery store prices, are often 2-3 times, the price, for the same item! I've mention all this, to the local manager, and he seems to be only "lip service" sympathetic. It's really Insane...IMHO. I (seriously) may have to try to start "gigging" again, and a lot more often, just to make enough money, to pay for my (paltry) grocery needs. $50 bucks, won't hardly buy anything, anymore ...seemingly! And, the "doom and gloomers" say it will only get (a Lot) worse! What's it like, where you are/shop? A note, to our younger members. Make AS MUCH MONEY as you can, working or playing music, and SAVE as much as you possibly can...you're going to NEED every penny!! Trust me! CB Good luck making money on gigs. In Los Angeles, you can't even make enough to pay your gas bill to get to the gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted October 20, 2013 Author Share Posted October 20, 2013 Good luck making money on gigs. In Los Angeles, you can't even make enough to pay your gas bill to get to the gig. Yeah, I know...I lived in LA for 30 years. It's One reason I left! LOL No, seriously...we make decent enough money, at least to "help" here, when playing out. The problem is, there aren't many venues, that have "Live" music, anymore. Karaoke, and "DJ's" have replaced "bands" in a lot of places. Plus there's been some ASCAP/BMI hassles, to club/bar owners, in the last couple of years, that have scared off some, as well. So...??? While "Gigging again, a lot more often" would be great...it's NOT going to happen, anytime soon, I'm afraid. CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdgm Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 the other venture I was thinking about was a combination Strip joint Funeral parlor ( with optional doughnut coffee stand)..I figure the 2 things economy wont affect ..vices and death......We put the "fun" in funeral!! I'd visit if I needed a stiff drink....or might just drop in for a bier!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyMoon Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 I'd visit if I needed a stiff drink....or might just drop in for a bier!! que drums...buddumpa deeeshh..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glp2012 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 I had started eating Almond Butter because it has a little less sugar than Peanut Butter. Anyway, a jar of Almond Butter at Whole foods was $15!!!! The last time I bought a jar it was 5.99. At that price I'll just chew the almonds like a squirrel. But yes, food prices are extremely high. We have a place here called Valley Produce. For $25 I get about four full bags of vegetables and fruits. That is less than half the price of a chain grocery store like Vons or Ralphs. Another thing that makes me upset is the cost of Avocados. I am surrounded by avocado groves here in California and I pay almost $1.00 a piece for a small four bite avocado. A few years back they were twice the size and were half the price. Maybe we need to start canning food... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanHenry Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Even The Archbishop of Canterbury has been getting into the energy price debate: http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/energy-bills-welby-slams-severe-232011466.html?vp=1 Ian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyMoon Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Food shortages, less and less space and they are always coming up with new ways to make us live longer and in some countries breed more....anyone see where this is going to end up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuddyDitch Zhuangzi Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I hear you. Maybe it's time to learn some of those old depression era songs and go busking in front of the grocery store. Nobody Knows You When You're Down and Out, The Breadline, The Panic is On. Stuff like that. I try to shop the outer aisles of the grocery store, fresh produce, meat, eggs and make everything from scratch. Erik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryUK Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Tesco People can't afford food, but the supermarkets throw it away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanHenry Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Tesco People can't afford food, but the supermarkets throw it away. Maybe, if they lowered their prices, people would buy it, and they wouldn't have the obscene situation of throwing it away. Years ago (70's)the first supermarket opened in the small town where I live, up until that point, each little sub neighbourhood had it's own Grocers, Butchers and Bakers. Now all the Grocers and Bakers have gone and two independent Butchers remain. The bread that the supermarkets sell, has a damp texture and is full of preservatives (it would actually be illegal to sell it in France) and now that the supermarkets have killed off all the local shops with their cheap prices, unbelievably (although not that many people seem to realise it) the local independent butchers are now cheaper! I believe Karl Marx predicted a similar situation if capitalism remained unchecked. Ian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveinspain Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Haven't seen a huge price difference here in Valencia in general... A couple items have gone up like asparagus and beef but bread, milk, eggs fruit and veggies a still about where they were a year or so ago... Found a good web page for looking at stuff like this... In Valencia where I live they say the cost for food for one person for one month is $171, that's about 125 euros. Thats lower than other cities by about $50.00... USA UK Pick your country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbluesplayer Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Yeah, CB. You can't really make any money gigging but it might keep you busy so you don't eat so much. Plus, when you figure in the expenses for face makeup and tight shiny pants, you can't hardly make anything gigging these days!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted October 21, 2013 Author Share Posted October 21, 2013 Yeah, CB. You can't really make any money gigging but it might keep you busy so you don't eat so much. Plus, when you figure in the expenses for face makeup and tight shiny pants, you can't hardly make anything gigging these days!! LOL...Not trying to "make a living," just to supplement the income, a bit. And, I'm afraid I'm way past "face makeup and tight, shiny pants!" Don't eat nearly as much, as I used to, either...for "medical" reasons. And, what I'm "supposed" to eat, is way more expensive, than "Junk" food, that seems the "norm" anymore. So...??? CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 A major reason for cost increases in food, regardless where, is in transportation. That means basically two things, cost of fuel and a range of regulations most of "us" cannot really even imagine, and range from getting the fuel from various wells to a fuel station of some sort to regulation on the drivers and their trucks. As for throwing away food... "We" have done that with our "use by" dating, among other things. Meats, fruits, veggies - even frozen foods of all sorts - have a finite shelf life. Where I live, yes, stuff approaching that dating, or meats appearing less palatable, goes on sale and if not sold, is given to a food pantry or tossed. "We" never had in the temperate zone the year-around access to fresh fruits and veggies we now take for granted until some revolutions not in governance, but in transportation technology and far-improved logistics. I'd also suggest that the "socialism vs capitalism" question is functionally irrelevant when one considers the effects of population growth. The Soviet Union had ongoing food supply problems as a socialist national confederation and I'd suggest that if one were to look at the logistics involved, it always was harder to deliver foods to folks in urban areas than more rural areas. Logistics, logistics... In fact, one might suggest that since the lessening of state control there, Russian food logistics have not had the difficulties it once had - except... compared to more rural areas. Large populations make larger consolidated delivery systems from farm to consumer easier and less expensive in general - unless there are economic "leaks" such as caused by regulation. Russia and the U.S. currently are among the worlds leading oil producers and yet both, IMHO, have increasing difficulty figuring delivery systems and appropriate "regulation" for operation in a world marketplace. Again... if you think the wide range of quality foodstuffs that have been available since roughly the 1960s at relatively low cost will continue, I'd suggest you're living in a fool's paradise. The U.K. since the industrial revolution has had problems feeding itself anyway - look at what happened with the U-Boat "menace" in WWI, let alone the rationing in WWII. The US and Canada probably could feed themselves, but have a tendency to allow less expensive imports into their supply chain which hurts their own ag economy but makes urban "masses" happy with lower-cost food until other cost factors, generally government-caused, get in the way. m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryUK Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Yeah, CB. You can't really make any money gigging but it might keep you busy so you don't eat so much. Plus, when you figure in the expenses for face makeup and tight shiny pants, you can't hardly make anything gigging these days!! I have makeup and tight shiny pants. But they're not for gigging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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