Jump to content
Gibson Brands Forums

Any experts out there on the lonnie mack flying V?


curiousgeorge

Recommended Posts

Just happened to run across this thread again... and new info! Dan... very cool story about PPL... and continue to laugh at your bedspread marketing effort there.

 

It is an amazingly well built guitar... just flawless execution... but agree with Bood... guess if i had a LM and an 80's korina both offered to me at 3500... would go korina... even though my guess is the LM is a better built guitar with exceptional wood... light hog doesn't come around these days much on anything under 6k... and the 94 serial number is unique/cool as well. My guess is that they ddn't do a full run of these... they come up so rarely that i bet the actual number was quite a bit under what the stated was... have seen that before. diff info from the gibson spec sheets vs my inside info of which i cannot divulge ;-)

 

Anyway... didn't buy it to appreciate in price... just bought it to appreciate it!

 

curiousgeorge: Thanks for your comment! I still have my Mack V and now have no intention to sell it! Why? Because I just inherited a BOAT-LOAD of cash from an estate settlement and am financially quite well-off now. Since I micro-manage my cash flow to spend a minimum, I now have the confidence that at my current age of 66, I'll never have to fear the need to return to the great American workforce ever again. I'M SET! This means plenty of free time to polish & strum my Mack V ("...don't even point at it!") through my Malekko Omicron Vibrato pedal (simulates Magnatone Amp). Since I was last here on the Gibson Board, I acquired two more interesting pieces of "Lonnie Mack bric-a-brac" on eBay. I procured an official Gibson Lonnie Mack Guitar Pick (the huge rounded triangular one) and an original Gibson Archive 8"X10" Photo of the prototype Lonnie Mack Flying V, the same photo Gibson used in their 1994 catalog listing. Cheers!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 3 months later...

curiousgeorge & all following this "Mack Madness": You're quite right. That's my ad on eBay and I've resolved to never go lower than $10G for it. I love my Mack V too and at 65 years old, comfortably retired with plenty of bucks in the bank, I'm perfectly content to have this V buried with me if I don't get at least $10G. Of course should I live another 10-20+ years, the price will escalate accordingly. KNOW THIS: Whosoever acquires my Mack V through a cash sale will pay a DEARLY HIGH PRICE or they won't get mine! (That sounded like a threat, didn't it? LOL!) Some things you should know about the 1994 advertising for the Mack V. It was featured in the 1994 "Gibson USA Catalog" as well as a few sparse ads in several guitar magazines. I could never locate a '94 Gibson catalog at any price but I was lucky enough to get a photocopy of the Mack V depicted in that catalog. Like mine, the toggle switch tip is WHITE, not aged-Amber like you see on most of them. BTW, Lonnie's '58 V has a WHITE toggle switch tip, not amber. I had the pleasure of growing up in Northern Kentucky just across the Ohio River from Cincinnati Ohio. I watched Lonnie Mack & his band play numerous times at Sunday afternoon "teen dances" from 1964-65 at "The Flamingo Club" in Newport Kentucky. I stood right up by the stage in a crush of all the other "wannabe" aspiring guitar slingers who idolized Lonnie like I did. However, Lonnie kept himself aloof from the crowd. He entered the club from the artists' entrance in the rear and when he finished playing, rapidly exited into a waiting car out the same door. Luckily for me, in January 1986, I got to meet & talk with Lonnie in person at a performance at "Gilley's Club" downtown Dayton Ohio. This happened due to my association with "Pure Prairie League" (PPL). My former late '60's Cincinnati rock band "East Orange Express" (see my YouTube Channel "Dan Schear" for videos) spawned three future members of PPL in the early '70's. In the mid-'80's PPL was on sabbatical due to the recent departure of Lead Vocalist/Guitarist Vince Gill and the other members of PPL formed a local Cincinnati gigging group known as "The Goshorn Brothers Band." Larry & Timmy Goshorn were both mid'70's members of PPL before the arrival of Vince Gill who replaced both of them. Highly acclaimed bassist and blues vocalist extraordinaire Roger "Jellyroll" Troy formerly of Mike Bloomfield's legendary "Electric Flag" was a close friend of the Goshorn brothers and like I did, frequented many of their Cincinnati gigs just to have something to do. So happens, Jellyroll was doing a bass/vocal gig with "The Lonnie Mack Band" at that time. I became good friends with Jellyroll (he liked my off-the-wall, irreverent humor) and one night after telling him how much I idolized Lonnie but never had the opportunity to meet him, Jellyroll invited me as a backstage guest at their "Gilley's Club" performance in January '86. Youbetcha I went and had a great time! At the end of the evening, I almost got on stage to jam a tune with Lonnie & Jellyroll but Lonnie busted a high-E string on his #1 V and that ended the night...DAGNABIT! Anyway, I snapped many still photos backstage with Lonnie, Jellyroll, me and Lonnie's cache of Flying Vs including two prototypes of the '93-'94 Lonnie Mack Flying V! Perhaps I'll post these photos here on the Gibson Guitar Board?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I am a Lonnie Mack/LM Signature Flying V EXPERT. I have known Lonnie personally for years having grown up in Cincinnati. I have owned 4 LM Signature Vs, sold 2 a few years back and presently have one very near mint available for sale. My other LM V is from the "personal run" that Gibson made for Lonnie, according to Lonnie's request they all have "double zero" serial numbers (001, 002, etc.). Aside from the serial numbers, I have been told that the personal run has a few other slight differences, i.e. the pickups were wound "hotter". Lonnie and I went to the same music store HUGHES MUSIC in Norwood, Ohio (a city within the city of Cincinnati). Glenn Hughes (Gene Hughes [from the Casinos "Then You Can Tell Me Goodbye" was Glenn's son) ordered Lonnie's V (7th off the assembly line) and the two of them fabricated the bar that allowed them to install the Bigsby---I don't think the "horseshoe" models were available at the time or whether it would even fit. I actually own probably the only remaining prototype of the bar other than the one on Lonnie's guitar.

I don't know if Lonnie's "personal run" guitars are worth $30,000 but his #7 is probably worth at least half a mill at auction and if auctioned together, I've no doubt a personal run model could go for even $50 grand.

I have never tried selling anything through this forum/website so I will probably be listing it on South Florida and Orlando Craigslist. I'm attending the Orlando Guitar Expo on Jan. 17th, will probably bring it with and will take $4500 if I have to ship it and maybe less for cash and carry. I will also probably list it on Reverb.com or maybe eBay. You can email me at pelegro69@gmail.com if you are interested or have other questions.

Love On

Patrick

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks Patrick. Will do and would luv to discuss "all things Lonnie" with you! I don't know your age but I'm now 66. If you're in my age group, I don't know how we missed meeting each other at the many Lonnie Mack performances around the Cincinnati area 1964-65. Regards!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 2 years later...

Hi, please allow me to bring this topic back to life!?

 

A few days ago I bought a Lonnie Mack Flying V, which was auctioned by Reverb on behalf of Billy Corgan (Smashing Pumpkins/Zwan). Actually two were sold, within hours, but I bought his #1 which was the instrument he always used on tour.

 

2ymdhlg.jpg

 

Now I'm researching the thing, and I was hoping someone here could provide some information? Thanks beforehand!

 

1. What was the original list price of this guitar back in 1993/1994?

2. Next to Lonnie Mack and Billy Corgan, are there more celebrities known to have played the Lonnie Mack Flying V?

3. The serial number reads 94003608 or 94008608, judging the pics provided at Reverb. Is it known what serial number range came with this limited run of Lonnie Mack Flying Vs?

 

rh63rn.png

 

4. The tremolo handle section is very peculiar (but pretty cool!) for this guitar. It was obviously done in the same design as Lonnie Mack had tailored his own guitar in the years before 1993/1994. See for example his album Live! Attack of the Killer V, recorded in 1989 and released in 1990. There are more Flying Vs known with tremolo handles, however not as 'outspoken' as Lonnie Mack used it. Is it known why this design for the tremolo handle section was chosen, presuming it had more than aesthetic reasons only?

 

Thanks again guys!

Arthur

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Arthur: From the photo posted, I can't tell if that is an "8" or a "3." Nonetheless, based on the photographic evidence of the serial number you provided, your Mack V was produced at the Gibson USA factory in Nashville Tennessee either on January 3rd or January 8, 1994 and was either the 603rd or 608th Gibson instrument stamped that day. My Mack V is a bit younger than yours produced in the same facility on February 3rd, 1994, the 34th day of the year and was the 243rd Gibson instrument stamped that day...Now, let's talk turkey and not speculation or romanticized musician's lore steeped in BS. Yes, I see the photo with Billy Corgan which makes it clear that he was holding a genuine Mack V. Assuming Corgan's representation of his Mack V is true and that the Mack V he is holding is unquestionably the Mack V you purchased at auction, how do you KNOW FOR A FACT that Corgan's Mack V was the so-called "#1 which Mack always used on tour?" Or are you asserting that this instrument is the "#1 Mack V that CORGAN used on tour?" That makes a HUGE difference in your guitar's value in my educated opinion! If your instrument was Lonnie Mack's #1 rather than Corgan's #1, I could easily see a several thousand dollar "Mack Played Premium" added to its collector's value. All this questionable data notwithstanding, if you Arthur paid no more than $3500 for this Mack V, I can't see how you possibly could have gone wrong investment-wise. Gibson's original suggested list price for the Mack V was somewhere around $1200 USD in 1994. There were 188 total Mack Vs released for commercial sale in 1993-94. I paid $1700 for mine in September 1996 to "Gary's Classic Guitars" Cincinnati Ohio. Following receipt of my funds, Gary promptly shipped my Mack V to my then residence in downtown Los Angeles. I am now fully retired in El Paso and my beloved mint condition, gorgeously-grained, wonderful playing & sounding Mack V is resting comfortably with all tags & paperwork inside its original "Gibson USA" Brown Tolex Case along with my other 24 guitars, 4 basses and 3 amplifiers inside my very secure climate-controlled storage locker not far from me in El Paso. I visit, ogle, drool, fondle & meticulously maintain my marvelous collection several times weekly. I also own one of the most profoundly extensive & amazing collections of Lonnie Mack original vinyl records from the 1960s along with numerous one-off ultra rare photos of Lonnie's live performances along with other assorted rare Mack memorabilia spanning his entire lifetime which unfortunately ended simultaneously along with the life of "The Artist Formerly Known as Prince" on April 21, 2016.

 

 

Hi, please allow me to bring this topic back to life!?

 

A few days ago I bought a Lonnie Mack Flying V, which was auctioned by Reverb on behalf of Billy Corgan (Smashing Pumpkins/Zwan). Actually two were sold, within hours, but I bought his #1 which was the instrument he always used on tour.

 

2ymdhlg.jpg

 

Now I'm researching the thing, and I was hoping someone here could provide some information? Thanks beforehand!

 

1. What was the original list price of this guitar back in 1993/1994?

2. Next to Lonnie Mack and Billy Corgan, are there more celebrities known to have played the Lonnie Mack Flying V?

3. The serial number reads 94003608 or 94008608, judging the pics provided at Reverb. Is it known what serial number range came with this limited run of Lonnie Mack Flying Vs?

 

rh63rn.png

 

4. The tremolo handle section is very peculiar (but pretty cool!) for this guitar. It was obviously done in the same design as Lonnie Mack had tailored his own guitar in the years before 1993/1994. See for example his album Live! Attack of the Killer V, recorded in 1989 and released in 1990. There are more Flying Vs known with tremolo handles, however not as 'outspoken' as Lonnie Mack used it. Is it known why this design for the tremolo handle section was chosen, presuming it had more than aesthetic reasons only?

 

Thanks again guys!

Arthur

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi DanSchear, thanks for a long reply, great to hear your stories! Yes, it was Billy Corgan his #1. Since he owned two of these guitars, the other one was his back up in case his #1 malfunctioned. As Megafrog correctly noted, I paid $7,500. I realize it's not cheap, but I compared to a few other Lonnie Mack Flying V guitars I found online. And I couldn't find one recently referenced below $3,900. My main reference during the Reverb sale was another Lonnie Mack for sale at Reverb, asking price $5,500. Billy's two were priced $5,600 and $7,500 respectively.

 

And you know what, Billy Corgan was selling ~150 items, half of them being guitars. If you see 50-75% of them sell out within hours, there's not much time to think. This was a once in a lifetime opportunity to buy my favourite guitar from my favourite guitar player. For DAYS already I'm pumped, excited, flabbergasted, on Cloud9, you have no idea lol. This thing is not going anywhere the next few decades but my wall where I will enjoy it every day...

 

For who's interested, here's the listing. https://reverb.com/item/6319365-gibson-lonnie-mack-flying-v-1990s-cherry-owned-by-billy-corgan-zwan

 

Thanks again guys, I really appreciate your responses. :)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Megafrog: Really, $7500?! OUCH!...OK, regarding the C.O.A., what claim does it back up? The claim that this Mack V was Lonnie's personal #1 or Corgan's personal #1? Even more importantly, what is the source of and who issued this C.O.A.? Don't try to argue me down on this because it is widely known that there are numerous bogus "Authenticating Experts" out there who for enough money, will sign their names on "official looking paper document forms" to "professionally validate" that any guitar you put in front of their greedy faces is "Celebrity Played/Celebrity Autographed" and "Examined & Certified Authentic by ME!" Yeah...RIGHT!...To express this another way, I shall borrow a line of dialog from the 1983 motion picture "Scarface" where Tony Montana was confronted by his then boss Frank Lopez who angrily asserted to him, "You expect me to believe Omar was a stoolie because Sosa said so? You bought that line!"...(Oops! Money down, LOL!)

 

This looks like what SPFreaks purchased. Based on the listing, it supposedly has a certificate of authenticity that backs up the claims. $7,500 is a steep price but it is a cool piece.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

"regarding the C.O.A., what claim does it back up? The claim that this Mack V was Lonnie's personal #1 or Corgan's personal #1?"

 

As said, the guitar has besides its name no further references to Lonnie Mack himself. The listing on Reverb, which is a very trustworthy place as far as I know, states "This item will ship with a physical Certificate of Authenticity from Reverb.com.". I presume it will state the guitar was previously owned and used by Billy Corgan.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

SPfreaks: Well, who knows? And let's face it. Dead artist collectibles are certainly worth more money than when they were alive and Lonnie Mack is dead. True, Corgan is still alive and relatively still young. However, Corgan is a fairly famous guitar dude and your Mack V while no doubt pricey at $7500 should prove to be a good investment in the years to come. Mack Vs in general seem to have kept pace with inflation. For example, the $1700 I paid for mine in September 1996 would be equivalent to me paying around $4000 in August 2017. Your Mack V does have "the Corgan thing" going for it so as long as there are enough rabid Billy Corgan fans out there and as long as inflation along with the ever-eroding buying power of the US Dollar are going on (both inevitable), I'm sure your Mack V will eventually match and even surpass the $7500 you've invested in it. Really, what the Hell is $7500 anymore anyway? LOL! Enjoy your Corgan-Mack V my friend and may the force-of-the-whammy-bar be with you! (Now, does anyone know if Vinnie Vincent has a #1 Mack V for sale? Or does anyone even know if Vinnie Vincent is still with us? ROTFLMFAO!)

 

"regarding the C.O.A., what claim does it back up? The claim that this Mack V was Lonnie's personal #1 or Corgan's personal #1?"

 

As said, the guitar has besides its name no further references to Lonnie Mack himself. The listing on Reverb, which is a very trustworthy place as far as I know, states "This item will ship with a physical Certificate of Authenticity from Reverb.com.". I presume it will state the guitar was previously owned and used by Billy Corgan.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

×
×
  • Create New...