vacamartin Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 from the AGF... http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3803193&posted=1#post3803193 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 That one has been litigated here ad infinitum, and falls under the category of a sleeping dog that we should probably let lie if we want to insure domestic tranquility.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 That one has been litigated here ad infinitum, and falls under the category of a sleeping dog that we should probably let lie if we want to insure domestic tranquility.... +1. Who cares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobF_ Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Another +1. I cannot believe anybody would still going on about this thing. Somebody on AGF needs to get a flippin' life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 That one has been litigated here ad infinitum, and falls under the category of a sleeping dog that we should probably let lie if we want to insure domestic tranquility.... Ahhh, sounds like old age is getting the best of you. Then again, Revolution is the job of the young. They have the time and energy. Hard to disturb domestic tranquility when you need to be in bed by 10:00 p.m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry K Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 (yawn) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobouz Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Blah blah blah, blah blah blah. -or- Ob blah di, ob blah da. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigKahune Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 . You mean, nobody is gonna get out a soapbox and spout, rant, and run with this old horse? Just as well - pretty old and worn out. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountainpicker Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I like the picture of the talking dead horse! I hope I can still talk after I'm dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParlourMan Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Arguably they are just boxes... Gibson just happened to make a load of decent boxes when yer Ferguson fella was at the helm of the acoustic ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I'd say that calling it old news is something of an understatement. I will state, otoh, that it appears that nobody here is quite as picky as the place where I bought my first reeeally good classical guitar where they'd hold their better instruments for a cupla years on grounds that it took that long for woods and glues to reach proper maturity for purchase by a real player. Actually they are just wooden boxes braced in ways long proven to aid in a combination of strength and vibration. It takes very good - in some cases exceptional - craftsmanship to get it right because no bits of wood are identical. That's true whether higher-end cabinetry or making stringed instruments of any sort. But other than in a shop with only one or several craftsmen making customs with specific variations of what already is known about guitar-making, I think the "biggies" must always match production speed and materials quality with appropriate price points. Even Ferrari streetable vehicles are made with that in mind as opposed to each being a model of its own, regardless that the price of their vehicles is high due to a specific sort of quality goal. m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitom Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I care very much and this makes me glad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeljohnr Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Wow. The AGF can't win. Maybe they should stop posting about Gibson all together so the old women on this forum can pull their panties out of their nether regions and avoid the strokes that happen every time someone over there mentions the brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobF_ Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I like the picture of the talking dead horse! I hope I can still talk after I'm dead. LOL - It was the first pic I could find that the 'extension' was allowed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Wonder about this one from #3 - just curious. "Don't over-romanticize the making of these guitars – they are just boxes, for crying out loud." Henry Juszkiewicz to Ren Ferguson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vacamartin Posted February 3, 2014 Author Share Posted February 3, 2014 Stirring up the old codgers...............love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Doesnt matter here.... Ren is Gone. This whole thing over wood and how it went about kind of soured me on Gibsons in general... I do like the older ones... but I dont think I would spend to much if any on a new one at this point.. plenty of used ones in the world to be had at a fraction of the new prices.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Stirring up the old codgers...............love it! What do you mean ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jannusguy2 Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 What do you mean ? He's thrilled anyone graced this worn out topic with a response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 He's thrilled anyone graced this worn out topic with a response. Thats what it seemed to be , i just have bother believing anyone would have nothing better to do. Bit pathetic to be delighted about doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jannusguy2 Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Thats what it seemed to be , i just have bother believing anyone would have nothing better to do. Bit pathetic to be delighted about doing that. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vacamartin Posted February 3, 2014 Author Share Posted February 3, 2014 +1 ouch.....you old boys are nasty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParlourMan Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 ouch.....you old boys are nasty! Come on man, we do a higher standard of trolling and debate sparking here... put some effort in, laddie. This is the stuff you see on PBboards for forums with 10 users! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 There are those here far more knowledgeable than I am, but I think that suggesting "old" Gibsons are better crafted than a new one isn't necessarily the case. In the '70s, at least, Gibsons lost much of their rep for quality in much of anything - at least in the circles I ran in which included country saloon bands and old time pickers. Even jazz folks to a large extent. The "good old" are individual instruments. We don't see the ones that fell apart, were used as oars in canoes or were ruined by time in attics. I'm in kind of a poor situation because I can't stop off at a guitar store at lunch or weekends because of work schedules, but I'm utterly convinced that one should play a guitar costing more than $500-1,000 before coughing up cash. Even then one is only too likely to find that the really playable instrument he/she just purchased has this or that problem. I really doubt that today's Gibson of any sort will be all that much "better" or "worse" than three or four years ago, or 20 years ago or 50 years ago - although I ofttimes question quality of woods and their aging after the burst of sales that continues after the folkie era burst upon us and continued even into and through the 1960s. m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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