saturn Posted May 2, 2014 Posted May 2, 2014 This is a great series on History Channel I have been watching for 2 seasons. Can't wait for the third. I missed the Season Two finale because I was at the Orioles double header. But I had it DVR'd and I cheated and read the recap! B) I never did like that King Horik.
BobF_ Posted May 2, 2014 Posted May 2, 2014 This is a great series on History Channel I have been watching for 2 seasons. Can't wait for the third. I missed the Season Two finale because I was at the Orioles double header. But I had it DVR'd and I cheated and read the recap! B) I never did like that King Horik. Yep, the finale was pretty good. It's a good series. I'll never understand how undervalued women seemed to be though.
Bender 4 Life Posted May 2, 2014 Posted May 2, 2014 I KNEW Loki couldn't betray Ragnar and Bjorn !!!! Told everyone at work for a week "AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN !!" no one agreed w/me........we'll see what they say tonight! Edit: Undervalued??? Lorgatha is an EARL for heavens sake!
BobF_ Posted May 2, 2014 Posted May 2, 2014 I KNEW Loki couldn't betray Ragnar and Bjorn !!!! Told everyone at work for a week "AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN !!" no one agreed w/me........we'll see what they say tonight! Edit: Undervalued??? Lorgatha is an EARL for heavens sake! And a HOT Earl at that ... but still, they don't seem to be treated all that well as a norm.
saturn Posted May 2, 2014 Author Posted May 2, 2014 I KNEW Loki couldn't betray Ragnar and Bjorn !!!! Told everyone at work for a week "AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN !!" no one agreed w/me........we'll see what they say tonight! Edit: Undervalued??? Lorgatha is an EARL for heavens sake! I never thought Floki was really on Horik's side, but Siggy had me fooled. I thought she was an ungrateful biach. Oh, don't you mean " for Valhalla's sake!"?
milod Posted May 2, 2014 Posted May 2, 2014 Actually we've got to recall that we're discussing an entirely different culture. Women in that relatively early voyaging-viking era largely were there for reproductive and political purposes as well as "use" for various sorts of male/community services, food service and in some circumstances with "enemies," as a way to exert power and emphasize control over a defeated enemy community. In many instances a very talented woman could make a real difference, but largely within the household or "smaller community" as an "extended household." That was the role depending on a woman's "station" and abilities. I wouldn't say they were undervalued per se. Nor were they undervalued per se in ancient Sparta. In each case we must recognize that we are encountering an entirely different value system due to very different sets of roles and choices. That's the point that must be made. Period. In fact, I think we make huge error in judging people of different times by our own experience and culture. A serious working partnership, whether a merchant family, a peasant family or a "noble" family, or in the case of the early viking-type family, always had a recognition of issues we currently encounter, but also a far more ephemeral life and issues very few of us encounter. For example, do current military families value less the family member (still usually, but not at all always, female) who stays at home, or the one who deploys? That's something of a similarity with "vikings," samurai families, military families of almost every era... In terms of the active military today and 3,000 years ago, the spouse/dependants of the active person have their roles and responsibilities within the subculture, but in ways inevitably as defined by the military spouse. That's true whether vikings or a current military. How relationships "worked" in a given culture tend to be misunderstood outside that culture. That's as true today as when we look back at historic cultures. One think I've learned by doing first-person 1860s-70s living history material is that feelings weren't necessarily different, but they were placed into a far different reality. That means each of "us," male or female, had far different worlds in which to live and some far different choices because of those worlds. Hmmmm... as a metaphor to this, do we value gold because it has cross-cultural value in trade, because it is marvelous for high-quality connection if used on electronics, or because it makes us a target of brigands? All three would be true, but with different perspectives. m
buliwyf Posted May 2, 2014 Posted May 2, 2014 I really dig the show from the first episode on the History channel. I have collected all sorts of viking,midevil,weapons and armour for some 30 years. Actually I would have no trouble providing about 6 to 8 viking forumites with either mail,leather or steel armour,viking weapons of swords,axe,shield,spear and seax. If you have time look up the names of Ragnar and his children even Ivar the boneless and King Horik. They were real people and until last night pretty well based upon history's later years however Horik outlives Ragnar by about 7 years in reality.Cant wait till the 3rd season sometime in 2015. Is it just me or the shot of Ragnar at the end of the 2nd season sitting on the mountain with the Kings sword in hand reminded me of the shot of Armolds Conan the Barbarian at the end of the movie.Where Conan is sitting on a throne with his sword and he is king by his own hand. Here is the History channel website,some good info on it. http://www.history.com/shows/vikings Heres a site of what the viking actors look like in real life check out Lagatha WOW http://uproxx.com/tv/2013/04/the-cast-of-historys-vikings-all-cleaned-up/
quapman Posted May 2, 2014 Posted May 2, 2014 Oh, don't you mean " for Valhalla's sake!"? Bada bing. lol,, Good one.
saturn Posted May 2, 2014 Author Posted May 2, 2014 I really dig the show from the first episode on the History channel. I have collected all sorts of viking,midevil,weapons and armour for some 30 years. Actually I would have no trouble providing about 6 to 8 viking forumites with either mail,leather or steel armour,viking weapons of swords,axe,shield,spear and seax. If you have time look up the names of Ragnar and his children even Ivar the boneless and King Horik. They were real people and until last night pretty well based upon history's later years however Horik outlives Ragnar by about 7 years in reality.Cant wait till the 3rd season sometime in 2015. Is it just me or the shot of Ragnar at the end of the 2nd season sitting on the mountain with the Kings sword in hand reminded me of the shot of Armolds Conan the Barbarian at the end of the movie.Where Conan is sitting on a throne with his sword and he is king by his own hand. Here is the History channel website,some good info on it. http://www.history.com/shows/vikings Heres a site of what the viking actors look like in real life check out Lagatha WOW http://uproxx.com/tv/2013/04/the-cast-of-historys-vikings-all-cleaned-up/ Reading your post reminded me that we had another member (Chanman) who was into the medieval reenactment stuff. I haven't seen him here in a long time.
BobF_ Posted May 2, 2014 Posted May 2, 2014 All well and good, m, but I'm thinking on a different level here. My thoughts are simple on this. According to the depiction in the series, hot women aren't all that plentiful. Were I in that situation, I would protect and keep *my* hottie in tip-top shape rather than slap her around or trade her off, or let my boy have a go at her. Period. :) Actually we've got to recall that we're discussing an entirely different culture. Women in that relatively early voyaging-viking era largely were there for reproductive and political purposes as well as "use" for various sorts of male/community services, food service and in some circumstances with "enemies," as a way to exert power and emphasize control over a defeated enemy community. In many instances a very talented woman could make a real difference, but largely within the household or "smaller community" as an "extended household." That was the role depending on a woman's "station" and abilities. I wouldn't say they were undervalued per se. Nor were they undervalued per se in ancient Sparta. In each case we must recognize that we are encountering an entirely different value system due to very different sets of roles and choices. That's the point that must be made. Period. In fact, I think we make huge error in judging people of different times by our own experience and culture. A serious working partnership, whether a merchant family, a peasant family or a "noble" family, or in the case of the early viking-type family, always had a recognition of issues we currently encounter, but also a far more ephemeral life and issues very few of us encounter. For example, do current military families value less the family member (still usually, but not at all always, female) who stays at home, or the one who deploys? That's something of a similarity with "vikings," samurai families, military families of almost every era... In terms of the active military today and 3,000 years ago, the spouse/dependants of the active person have their roles and responsibilities within the subculture, but in ways inevitably as defined by the military spouse. That's true whether vikings or a current military. How relationships "worked" in a given culture tend to be misunderstood outside that culture. That's as true today as when we look back at historic cultures. One think I've learned by doing first-person 1860s-70s living history material is that feelings weren't necessarily different, but they were placed into a far different reality. That means each of "us," male or female, had far different worlds in which to live and some far different choices because of those worlds. Hmmmm... as a metaphor to this, do we value gold because it has cross-cultural value in trade, because it is marvelous for high-quality connection if used on electronics, or because it makes us a target of brigands? All three would be true, but with different perspectives. m
milod Posted May 2, 2014 Posted May 2, 2014 Bob... That's how you're enculturated. So am I. And I'll happily state that so is my wife. Some folks throughout history ain't been raised that way, and somehow those cultures lasted quite a while and were successful in making a big dent in European history and culture. The Vikings are an example. I doubt also that most of "us" would be that comfortable in Sparta of old. Got a weak baby? Dump it on a hillside. Your eight-year-old gets beaten up? Fine, let him croak 'cuz he's not tough enough; and if he can't make a kill of a slave at night, let him die too. Etc. Yeah, they weren't politically correct. A lotta monks who were quite pacifistic were far less biological and cultural influences on Europe. Need another woman for breeding and cooking? Hey, go a-viking and grab yourself one. Depending on how you break horses, you'll figure a way to make it work. m
BobF_ Posted May 3, 2014 Posted May 3, 2014 I'm perfectly happy making my statement re: valuation across cultures and generations. As evidence of my assertion, I present the evolution of such valuations to what we have today :)
Bender 4 Life Posted May 3, 2014 Posted May 3, 2014 I never thought Floki was really on Horik's side, but Siggy had me fooled. I thought she was an ungrateful biach. Oh, don't you mean " for Valhalla's sake!"? my bad.....now i'll have to perish horribly in battle to enter the hallowed halls & party w/my ancestors...........
buliwyf Posted May 3, 2014 Posted May 3, 2014 This pic is more Deathdealer (like the Molly Hatchet album cover)same type of 11,lb axe and my helmet is close but I didnt want exact. My twohanded axe is even bigger than Rollo's Two of my war bow's one strung one not. English Archers short sword,made by Jody Samson the same guy who made the swords for both Conan movies and Del Tin Ravens of Odin viking sword. Another viking sword that has a beautiful pattern welded blade,the pattern runs all the way down the blade. come a long way from a leather viking garb I made myself around 25 years ago,not bad for a 1st try. another one for warm days. their are many more armour outfits but this is my number one,heres the curiass. Arm guards,tassets and greaves in the pic. Sorry I dont want to seem like I'm showing off my steel but as much as I love my guitars (the few I have left)i have been collecting swords,armour and like items since my dad gave my my first dagger as a young kid.I had to pick only a few to show as I have over 600 photos of this stuff.I'm thinking of selling my #1 armour piece and all together with all the ad ons it should easily get me a new LP. Thanks for putting up with my pic's if for some reason anyone wants to see more swords I have plenty from many time peroids.BTW swords were made for one thing only to KILL there was no other reason to make one before gunpowder.All other so called weapons had another use but a sword,JUST ONE,DEATH
surfpup Posted May 4, 2014 Posted May 4, 2014 Have not seen it, but wanting to. Is the first season out on DVD yet?
4Hayden Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 Have not seen it, but wanting to. Is the first season out on DVD yet? You can watch season 1 & 2 on You Tube
Bender 4 Life Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 next episode not until TWENTY FIFTEEN????? NOOOOOOOOO !!!! c'mon men......lets go on a raid to the Fender forum !! pillaging and plundering!!!!
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