Outlaws fan Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 Hello, My name is Mike and I'm new to the web site. I have a question about the Gibson SG. I recently acquired one and wanted to replace my strap buttons with Dunlop locking ones. I was able to do this easily with my Les Paul however the supplied screws that came with the locking system fits the butt end however when I attempted to put one on the body by the neck I couldn't get the screw to go all the way in. It was as if there is a plate, similar to an electrical gang box there to prevent the screw from going accidently into the neck. Has anyone else experienced this?
Pesh Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 Hello, My name is Mike and I'm new to the web site. I have a question about the Gibson SG. I recently acquired one and wanted to replace my strap buttons with Dunlop locking ones. I was able to do this easily with my Les Paul however the supplied screws that came with the locking system fits the butt end however when I attempted to put one on the body by the neck I couldn't get the screw to go all the way in. It was as if there is a plate, similar to an electrical gang box there to prevent the screw from going accidently into the neck. Has anyone else experienced this? I don't have an SG; but I'm pretty sure that the 'upper' strap pin is behind the neck, near the neck - body joint? It possible that part of the lower truss rod assembly is preventing the screw from pushing further; is the screw you're using the original? Or bigger than the original?
Outlaws fan Posted September 3, 2014 Author Posted September 3, 2014 I don't have an SG; but I'm pretty sure that the 'upper' strap pin is behind the neck, near the neck - body joint? It possible that part of the lower truss rod assembly is preventing the screw from pushing further; is the screw you're using the original? Or bigger than the original?
Outlaws fan Posted September 3, 2014 Author Posted September 3, 2014 I don't have an SG; but I'm pretty sure that the 'upper' strap pin is behind the neck, near the neck - body joint? It possible that part of the lower truss rod assembly is preventing the screw from pushing further; is the screw you're using the original? Or bigger than the original? The screw recesses into the button all the way to the bottom on the lockers. The original recesses only until the screw head is flush with the button top. The lockers keep recessing in about 1/4 inch more
GibsonKramer Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 The Studio Pro I got this weekend comes with Gibson's oversized strap buttons. I've got a mint '85 Kramer Baretta that came with Schaller locks. I ordered a chrome set, for my LP. I swapped out the neck one first and used the Gibson screw, as they're a coarse thread. The supplied screws with the Schaller's are fine thread (they also send 4 screws - short/long). However, when I went to replace to back one... The Gibson screw is too beefy to fit the hole in the Schaller. I really do not want to rethread my LP, for a locking strap. Going to see if I can drill/dremel some metal off the Schaller and try again. If that doesn't work, it's staying stock.
rct Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 The Studio Pro I got this weekend comes with Gibson's oversized strap buttons. I've got a mint '85 Kramer Baretta that came with Schaller locks. I ordered a chrome set, for my LP. I swapped out the neck one first and used the Gibson screw, as they're a coarse thread. The supplied screws with the Schaller's are fine thread (they also send 4 screws - short/long). However, when I went to replace to back one... The Gibson screw is too beefy to fit the hole in the Schaller. I really do not want to rethread my LP, for a locking strap. Going to see if I can drill/dremel some metal off the Schaller and try again. If that doesn't work, it's staying stock. Just turn the screwdriver dude. It is just a guitar, which is made of wood. If it was a picnic table you go at it with a 27 volt 430ftlb torque Trex driver from the Lowes. The guitar is the same wood. Just. Turn. The. Screw. Trust me fellas, yer way overthinkin yer staplox. rct
GibsonKramer Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 A picnic table, I would go to Lowe's and replace it, if I screwed it up. Possibly stripping out the strap button holes in my brand new Les Paul... slightly different. I get your point and there was a day, I'd have the same attitude... but I keep things like this, mint. If you saw my 30 year old Kramer, you'd see how uptight I am about it. All original hardware, mint condition.
capmaster Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 When about mounting a Schaller lock to a body, I usually predrill to the screw's core diameter in case I have to go with the longer screw for getting a secure hold. Using a toothpick, I evaluate the hole's depth present in the guitar, and compare to that required by the different screw. In any case, I prefer predrilling over a possibly cracking guitar body. The only lock I put to the back of a neck joint is on my Explorer. I found out that drilling a few millimeters deeper than stock was needed for the shorter Schaller screw and should be possible without damage. I admit I clenched my teeth while doing so, it worked, and the shorter screw matched after that. By the way, in contrary to Les Paul guitars, all of my SG strap knobs are stock. I went with locking ones on my Explorer just for convenience: She's the only guitar of mine that won't fit in her dedicated case with the strap attached.
cjsinla Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 The way an SG is designed, it doesn't need locks like a Les Paul does. Step away from the screwdriver.
casey_vee Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 Take the screws to the hardware store and see if they have anything with the same shaft and thread but shorter. I had to do this for one of my strats. Screws are cheap too so it worked out.
casey_vee Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 The way an SG is designed, it doesn't need locks like a Les Paul does. Step away from the screwdriver. Maybe he's a crazy showman like Cheap Trick with the neck toss. Haha Nice group pic btw.
GibsonKramer Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 The way an SG is designed, it doesn't need locks like a Les Paul does. Step away from the screwdriver. I either love you, or hate you... I can't decide. ;) Serious note: That's a beautiful collection.
rct Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 The way an SG is designed, it doesn't need locks like a Les Paul does. Step away from the screwdriver. If'n I took onea them beauties out for a few sets you'd be wishin they had straplocks on them. No guitar will stay on forever in an evening of semi-vigorous Klassik Rok. rct
Eracer_Team Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 However, when I went to replace to back one... The Gibson screw is too beefy to fit the hole in the Schaller. Going to see if I can drill/dremel some metal off the Schaller and try again. If that doesn't work, it's staying stock. I got what you're talking about on this post (even if some assumed that you were talking about screw into wood) yes correct sometimes the screw is too large to put into the strap button.. just drill out the strap button hole a bit more for the screw to insert, then you can screw the button on to the guitar this picture is just an example
rct Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 RCT you always slay me with your witty repartee. Screw strap locks. I use Grolsh beer grommets. Cheap and you have a valid excuse to by beer, like a man really needs an excuse to buy beer. Honey, I need to run to the store to get beer, but it is really for my guitar so my guitar strap wont fall off. I used duct tape when I was a kid, if I show a picture of myself playing back then the only thing people ever ask or ever notice is the wrap of duct tape just above the button slot on the strap. That's it. Never ask about my biggest hits, world tours, groupies, trashing hotels, closing bars, or getting busted. Just the duct tape. At some point I got the flick and got some straplocks and have used them ever since, and I don't even go out any more and I still put them on first. Hundreds of guitars, literally. I've never had a single problem putting them on or using them. I've used the bottle rings lots on other peoples guitars! rct
BobF_ Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 The Studio Pro I got this weekend comes with Gibson's oversized strap buttons ... Never had an SG, but the Epi 339 I had was the same. I didn't bother with locking anything on it. I have always put locking buttons on other styles until I picked up a Peavey last year with the oversized buttons. What a simple, elegant solution. And its strap doesn't have odd-shaped guitar denters dangling from both ends. Oversized strap buttons are +++ IMO
cjsinla Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 Maybe he's a crazy showman like Cheap Trick with the neck toss. Haha Nice group pic btw. The neck toss is one move I won't try, locks or no locks. I either love you, or hate you... I can't decide. ;) Serious note: That's a beautiful collection. Thanks. It's like potato chips, I couldn't stop after one and the way they started pricing these things lately, I didn't have to. If'n I took onea them beauties out for a few sets you'd be wishin they had straplocks on them. No guitar will stay on forever in an evening of semi-vigorous Klassik Rok. rct That's why I never loan out guitars
kidblast Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 you may be past the point of no return however,, if you use Schaler strap locks, vs dunlop, you can use the same screw that Gibby put on your SG from the Factory. Dunlops use larger/longer screws, and well I don't think there a good choice for SGs given where the front strap pin is located at the back of the neck joint. and I have to disagree with you don't need them on an sg, before I put the strap locks on my classic, I had not one, but two very lucky catches when the strap simply slipped off on me. they're like insurance..
casey_vee Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 The neck toss is one move I won't try, locks or no locks. This is what epiphones are for... Lol I'm sure I won't catch any heat for that one. I'm only half kidding.
Rookie Posted September 11, 2014 Posted September 11, 2014 However, when I went to replace to back one... The Gibson screw is too beefy to fit the hole in the Schaller. I really do not want to rethread my LP, for a locking strap. Going to see if I can drill/dremel some metal off the Schaller and try again. If that doesn't work, it's staying stock. I know what you're saying, I ran into the same thing. I thought it was a difference between #6 and #8 screws, but you may be right about course vs. fine threads. Anyway, the head on the screw I wanted wouldn't fit into the Schallar button. I wasn't about the fill the existing holes so I could use a smaller screw, so I did nothing. Getting out the Dremel is a good idea. The head inside the fitting isn't going to show anyway. Instead of sending two different LENGTH screws, Schallar should send two different head sizes. (or thread sizes)
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