tabeck5 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Just an observation, I am both a Gibson player and a Fender player, I am on both forums and it seems that Gibson players are nicer and less confrontational (with maybe the exception of Tele players) in these forums, just anecdotal evidence to back this up but just curious if anybody else has had this experience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btoth76 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Hello! I guess, You are right - as far as this forum is concerned. It is really refreshing to be here. People are polite and intelligent. I have no clue how these guys behave in real life, though. :D (I am an a$$hole, as most people would say). Have a nice weekend! Cheers... Bence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 We've had out times over the past number of years, at least in "the lounge" both here and on the Epi side. I suppose one might suggest that Gib/Epi and Martin players might tend to be a bit "nicer" on grounds of preference for more traditional sorts of guitars. Although the semi-hollows, LP, then a number of other "board" guitars might be seen as "not traditional," one might also note that the inset neck itself maintains a "guitar" tradition while a bolt-on neck is more like the banjo or any number of mechanical devices. Perhaps too, many overall Gib/Epi/Martin sorts of players often tend to be a bit more flexible in acceptance of varied musical styles and then perhaps "lifestyle" and "politics" than those who might insist on a specific given instrument. OTOH, let's face it: A SOB is a SOB regardless of race, creed, color, sex, national origin or - guitar preference. Frankly I've stated many times that regardless of occasional contretemps, those of us in guitar music cultures have far more in common than those whose musical cultures reject the instrument. That to me is a greater truth - and concern. m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderchild Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Hello! I guess, You are right - as far as this forum is concerned. It is really refreshing to be here. People are polite and intelligent. I have no clue how these guys behave in real life, though. :D (I am an a$$hole, as most people would say). Have a nice weekend! Cheers... Bence I don't know Bence personally, but he has always seemed nice, helpful, polite, well informed, and a very nice person. But if he say's he's an a$$hole, who am I to argue TC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capmaster Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 We've had out times over the past number of years, at least in "the lounge" both here and on the Epi side. I suppose one might suggest that Gib/Epi and Martin players might tend to be a bit "nicer" on grounds of preference for more traditional sorts of guitars. Although the semi-hollows, LP, then a number of other "board" guitars might be seen as "not traditional," one might also note that the inset neck itself maintains a "guitar" tradition while a bolt-on neck is more like the banjo or any number of mechanical devices. Perhaps too, many overall Gib/Epi/Martin sorts of players often tend to be a bit more flexible in acceptance of varied musical styles and then perhaps "lifestyle" and "politics" than those who might insist on a specific given instrument. OTOH, let's face it: A SOB is a SOB regardless of race, creed, color, sex, national origin or - guitar preference. Frankly I've stated many times that regardless of occasional contretemps, those of us in guitar music cultures have far more in common than those whose musical cultures reject the instrument. That to me is a greater truth - and concern. m Just add another two cents here. One may find brand snobs of all sorts anywhere. I think that very few are around here which makes this forum an open-hearted, comfortable place to meet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capmaster Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Hello! I guess, You are right - as far as this forum is concerned. It is really refreshing to be here. People are polite and intelligent. I have no clue how these guys behave in real life, though. :D (I am an a$$hole, as most people would say). Have a nice weekend! Cheers... Bence I don't know Bence personally, but he has always seemed nice, helpful, polite, well informed, and a very nice person. But if he say's he's an a$$hole, who am I to argue TC Just makes me wonder who these "most people" might be or where they come from. Perhaps there are lots of SOBs around him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cody78 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Depends what kind of Gibson you play, I've heard Explorer players can be mean (just kidding!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabeck5 Posted September 12, 2014 Author Share Posted September 12, 2014 It was just an observation, I also play Mandolin, and the folks on Mandolin forums are about as nice as can be, never an unkind word posted and people are very helpful, yeah there are a few jerks on the Gibson forum, but they seem pretty few and far between, there seem to be very few, particularly among the LP and archtop players. The would like to think that in the history of music, musicians are typically more inclusive and less judgmental than the general population, of course another generalization but I find that to be true most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capmaster Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Depends what kind of Gibson you play, I've heard Explorer players can be mean (just kidding!) As for Explorers, one should be prepared for the unexpected. Played clean through an acoustic amp, my Government Series II Explorer reveals herself as the jazziest guitar of mine. No other of my solidbodies is that close to the typical archtop hollowbody tone. My bandmates were floored while listening for the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabeck5 Posted September 12, 2014 Author Share Posted September 12, 2014 I love watching a guitar player get Jazz tone from a guitar that isn't a "traditional" Jazz guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capmaster Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 It was just an observation, I also play Mandolin, and the folks on Mandolin forums are about as nice as can be, never an unkind word posted and people are very helpful, yeah there are a few jerks on the Gibson forum, but they seem pretty few and far between, there seem to be very few, particularly among the LP and archtop players. The would like to think that in the history of music, musicians are typically more inclusive and less judgmental than the general population, of course another generalization but I find that to be true most of the time. In my opinion, most of snobbery is about improper generalisation and making particular things an ideology. Kind people say they prefer this and reject that but still say it's their personal like or dislike. Others might depict one thing as good or superior and others as inferior or bad, or even tell one thing the truth and others false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 With reference to an Explorer getting great jazz tones... My old early '70s Guild S100c - an SG clone - was my go-to wintertime jazz guitar because it was far more resistant to cold weather travel than an archtop that didn't care to stay in tune very well that time of year. Great sound IMHO. And I can't forget the Youtube vid of Joe Pass playing jazz on a Fender Jaguar - supposedly a "surf" guitar - and sounding magnificent. It's the picker. Heck, I've done "Misty" with all the nice fat chords in a solo gig on a little Epi flattop AE. Got a reason why I did something wrong? <grin> m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capmaster Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I love watching a guitar player get Jazz tone from a guitar that isn't a "traditional" Jazz guitar. As an irony of fate, Gibson also had the jazz players in mind when releasing Explorer and Flying V. Into the bargain, to my senses the "hot ceramic" Dirty Fingers pickups make even more for a jazzy tone than PAFs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cody78 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I think you can get a great jazz sound from a lot of solid bodies ...as mentioned earlier Joe Pass playing on a Fender Jaguar sure stands out, and I also recall seeing a Gibson SG demo on YouTube where the guy was playing 'Giant Steps' and sounding phenomenal! In regards to the Explorer, I used to go to this music store locally and a guy once brought one in and it sounded fantastic and played pretty well too! A little neck heavy, but a great guitar all the same. I always liked the look of the Korina models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capmaster Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Any guitar player can be a tool. I was on the Rickenbacker forum for a while and many of those guys think if you don't have a Ric you don't have a real guitar. This is a devastating insight for me. Thereafter I don't have a real guitar. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPguitarman Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Of course we are. Fender people only play slabs Ooops I wasn't being nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFord Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I don't know about other forums but the people here are all fine. We all just like guitars. Unless the necks bolt on like Herman Munster's head (just kidding)... If I ever stray from the Gibson fold it will be to buy an older Telecaster, I always liked those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Actually I have to say that I think this forum is good like that as its well modded and regulated.. Believe me over the years ive seen enough idiots come and go.. and the Gibson Forum mods are pretty quick to ban trouble makers and trolls.. And if any of our threads turn political or religious they close those threads down quick smart... These days we don't seem to see them around much, but then I think we have learned to self regulate (mostly).... But yeah in general the people on here are pretty decent folk (and supportive of each other) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfrets Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 As FZ Fan noted, the Ric forums are pretty contentious...and I actually play an old Ric 4001. Wanna meet some real Gibson playing A-holes? Drop by the MyLesPaul forums once in awhile. Just a heads up before you go...you're probably playing a fake, even if you're not. Never gotten into a pissing match with anybody here. That's why I like this place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson Artist Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Just an observation, I am both a Gibson player and a Fender player, I am on both forums and it seems that Gibson players are nicer and less confrontational (with maybe the exception of Tele players) in these forums, just anecdotal evidence to back this up but just curious if anybody else has had this experience? I used to post on the Fender board 5 years ago and back then the Gibson board had a bad reputation from what i recall. I guess it was because a lot of politics and little clicks is what i heard. Then, i joined up and noticed nothing could be further from the truth. The majority of the people i met were nothing but nice to me. There are always one or two people who wont share your opinions and like any public forums their ego gets under your skin but ive never had a problem on either board with anyone. Then again, i came to Gibson after all the drama ended from what i was told so lol. It was probably because posts on religion or politics are bound to cause hard feelings somewhere. But on the whole, this board rocks and most of the people have been very helpful teaching and i am VERY willing to learn and ask questions of the elder statesman here. They have a lot to share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 The thing with "politics" and "religion" - which sometimes can be part of one's guitar "beliefs," like it or not - is that it's exceptionally difficult for those not trained to enjoy such discussion to ... enjoy it. That often brings unkind comments, rushed written words and the built-in difficulty of such forums to offer the sort of human interface and vocal inflections that one has in a face-to-face sort of talk over coffee or a beer. Personally, I have been trained since childhood to take either side of an argument and to see it as great fun to do so. That includes training in logic and rhetoric in the classical sense. Unfortunately, as my wife frequently reminds me, it's not always such fun for others. Even my jokes over dinner often contain allusions, puns and metaphor that don't bring the same response as expected. That's whether it's a matter of "what are the best strings to use on a X guitar,' or whether it's a matter of comparative religion or any sort of politics. I'd add that frankly it seems at times that some folks' perspective on guitar strings approaches "religion" in that their belief in how and what they play is the way all being in the universe should be reflected. OTOH, I think that in general the Gib/Epi forums work quite well. A few folks will get overwrought and a few threads "disappear." I personally find that as sad as those who "believe" that only one sort of string or guitar or type of music has value. Guitar is to me a metaphor of one's life: It's equally valid to see the guitar as a chording vocal accompaniment acoustic instrument as it is to see it as a classical and baroque instrument, as a slam dunk dance eardrum breaking instrument or a melodic lead flight of fancy. It's even more versatile, IMHO, than keyboard since it has such a variety of forms. I think perhaps we should be more like guitars. m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capmaster Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Due to the raids and wood seizures against Gibson, politics may have appeared here forcibly for a certain period. I also remember that authorities threatened to confiscate instruments of renowned foreign players which they wanted to bring to the US for performing. Since this led to cancelling gigs and tours, this had to bring up politics from an otherwise totally uncommon point of view. Fortunately, they finally poured oil on troubled water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly campbell Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 I am on a few different ones and did feel that Fender was really rude from what I read...I like this one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbluesplayer Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 I'm the biggest A-hole on here and as far as I know I'm an angel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimi Mac Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 As an irony of fate, Gibson also had the jazz players in mind when releasing Explorer and Flying V. Into the bargain, to my senses the "hot ceramic" Dirty Fingers pickups make even more for a jazzy tone than PAFs. If I recall, the Les Paul was expected to be a solid-body Jazz guitar to be a more compact and comfortable guitar option as opposed to the larger bodied arch-tops and hollow-bodies... People are people, there are good and bad everywhere. What I think you will find is like-minded individuals are striving to achieve a mutual communion rather than simply weighing-in when someone else speaks because they want to hear themselves too... We are sharing an interest and those that have a proclivity to be antagonistic or animostic will be summarily ignored eventually and it leaves them without value or interest in their endeavors and eventually they'll weed themselves out... Another will surely come along, but he same process will replay-out... The mass over-popularity and over-saturation of some of the more popular Fender models (IMHO) simply increases the number of their players exponentially, therefore the roughly similar percentage means a higher number of @$$holes, but not necessarily/likely a larger percentage... But more of them makes them get noticed more... I also think the value and quality of the Gibson product we love to share makes us exercise a higher discriminating taste and personal value for such artisan craftsmanship rather than the more popular instant-gratification of more quickly and more numerously mass-produced guitars... Does Gibson have their moments of QC epic fail? Absolutely, but I think in general their processes are more quality imbued and driven than the average guitar and those of us that adore them and a shared appreciation for such things and I think that sets us above average to begin with... It gives us a slightly more exclusive playing-field, and that gives us a chance to be a little closer right off the bat. Not in a snobby way, but in a more closely related shared value way... I would suggest percentage-wise, the @$$hole factor is probably about the same... I know I can be when I get a fool notion in my head... It happens to the best of us, we are after all; human/mortal creatures sharing life... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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