Rabs Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 Rabs' reference to the patent drawings show a guitar neck that looked fairly steep, and with a volute. made me wonder too. <grin> m Nah I think that was just an example for patent purposes... From what I can see the headstock angle looks like what you would normally expect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Here you will like this better take it and be happy! But mister why can't I have what I liked and always had? Because I know whats best for you now shut up take it and be happy with it! Yeah, the "Obamadable" school of marketing! CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Are those slotted and drilled tuner posts?..... P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btoth76 Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Hello! So, even the Traditional got modernized too? WHY? According to the corporate philosophy the Standard is the model in the range that receives updates, and the TRADITIONAL remains the same. Excuse me for this: F%#K! I might have bought a Traditional P-90s this (or the next) year to replace the similiar Studio 50s Tribute with a better appointed instrument, but I won't buy anything like this. Glad that I have the Classic Custom. And keeping the Studio until Gibson recovers from it's ashes. Bence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 ...The "nibs" thing marking quality, for example makes me laugh 'cuz I could just see somebody suggesting to Hauser or Ramirez that they add nibs to a $30,000 classical guitar... With the greatest respect, milo, could you see somebody suggesting to Ramirez that they adopt new mechanised production techniques which would allow their $30,000 classical guitar to be made considerably cheaper, a lot quicker, in greater numbers, with less attention to detail and can therefore be finished-off by a lesser-skilled worker, and which abandons a traditional Ramirez practice going back around a century? No. Nor can I. P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. C.O. Jones Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Ok, let them try whatever they want. Soon they will see that it was the wrong way. Sales will drop thats for sure, and this is the only thing they care about. I got my Les Paul, i can wait, hopefully 2016 they change things for good. I will keep my money this year and in 2016 i will have more money for a real nice Les Paul. If they keep "innovating" i go with a used one, saw some real beautys on the net. I am a novice so please can someone tell me, is it realy that hard to keep your guitar in tune? Do guitar players realy need this G-Force thing? And yess they will loose reputation, but i don't care, its not my name written on the headstock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbluesplayer Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 A slightly better picture of one of the new nuts All the extra fretboard width looks like it's all outside the first and sixth strings. Like there's too much space between the edge of the fretboard and the strings. Talk about the tail wagging the dog!! That's nuts - funny, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVOL! Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 A slightly better picture of one of the new nuts My only concern with a metal nut is finding someone to work on it. Ham handed Neanderthals like me need 11s so the first thing I do when I get a new guitar is correct the nut for a bigger string gauge. A trusted luthier I used to know said he won't work on metal nuts because they wreck files. Never having cut a nut, I do not know how true this is. Outside of that I love the look of the zero fret and I am excited to play one in person. Sorry if this has been addressed; I'm too lazy to read through this long thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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milod Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Actually RE high end classical guitars, there is a lot of "modern" work done on them. I can't imagine using a hand saw, for example, to cut top, back and sides. Now computer-operated? I dunno. But technology is part of every instrument maker that's known at all. The question is always the degree of artisanship added. Each generation has choices to make whether they will use this or that bit of technology and what counts. I have a friend who's a great sculptor and runs his own foundry. Concepts are "old," his creations are done "the old way," but he uses modern tech for what makes sense. m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblooded Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 All I want to know is Who is this Leo Baul guy and what did they do to Les Paul? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Searcy Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Guitar players are silly. Bass players have been enjoying metal, adjustable nuts for... oh... a million years or so now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVOL! Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Bass players have been enjoying metal, adjustable nuts for... oh... a million years or so now. Pardon my ignorance, but adjustable in what way? Height and horizontal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 I still want a darkburst one of these Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rabs Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 Pardon my ignorance, but adjustable in what way? Height and horizontal? Just height.. you can move it up and down to change the action (or if you get different gauge strings I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 Are those slotted and drilled tuner posts?..... P. As far as I know that's a robo tuner... so its just holes drilled and held in by the nuts.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rabs Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 My only concern with a metal nut is finding someone to work on it. Ham handed Neanderthals like me need 11s so the first thing I do when I get a new guitar is correct the nut for a bigger string gauge. A trusted luthier I used to know said he won't work on metal nuts because they wreck files. Never having cut a nut, I do not know how true this is. Outside of that I love the look of the zero fret and I am excited to play one in person. Sorry if this has been addressed; I'm too lazy to read through this long thread. I would say that you wouldn't need any work done on it.. which is the point of an adjustable nut.. By the looks of the pictures I have seen the string slots look big enough to take a larger gauge and then you just move the nut up or down to adjust.. How they will react if you were to say put 8s on im not sure, the slots will be pretty big and thus leave the strings to move about in the slot more than on a purpose cut nut. Plus to be honest a luthier who tells you he wont work on a metal nut seems a but silly.. if you know you will use a file up in the process that simply becomes part of the cost... ? (plus they are brass which is a pretty soft metal as they go) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 You may be right, Rabs, but it sure looks (to me) like it can slide as well... Not by the looks of the diagram... (which was found in Google Patents) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 All the extra fretboard width looks like it's all outside the first and sixth strings. Like there's too much space between the edge of the fretboard and the strings. Talk about the tail wagging the dog!! That's nuts - funny, huh? Well of course.. More room on the fretboard improves tone and sustain, obviously... :P :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobF_ Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I don't think adjustments are req'd for string gauge changes. Regardless of gauge, the bottom of the string will stay at the same height with a zero fret nut. Slot width is what gets changed to accommodate different gauge with a traditional nut. The 'V' shape in the zero unit *should* have slopes that hold any gauge string in the correct horizontal position without need for filing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Farnsbarns Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Sales engineer? I heard it all now. Nothing else will ever sound f-ing stupid ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Thanks, Rabs... Well, we already knew most of that, and "I" didn't hear any real difference, in tone, sustain, or tuning accuracy, as those were not really demonstrated. He did make a point regarding the nut, logo, and hologram, however. So, that alone must justify the 28-29% price increase, I'm sure?! In fairness, I'm AM interested in the viability of the new adjustable zero fret nut! The other stuff...ehhh, not really. As to the "rolled fingerboard," polished frets and fingerboard? Well, it's about time, that was done. Nice return to real pearl inlays (my '76 LP Deluxe has those)! And, will they (at some point) offer that nut, as a "part" in the width of previous LP/SG and other's fingerboards, so one could install that, at least, in an older guitar...IF, desired??? CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L8_4thesh0w Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Are those slotted and drilled tuner posts?..... P. Looks like a Cap Nut on the top of the posts, similar to a tire valve stem cap, slots must be for using coin or key. I am assuming that without them the G-Force causes string slippage. Σß Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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