splake Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Hey guys,,,,, I really hate when people have the discussion on who is the greatest guitarists that ever lived. We have all heard and I am sure many of us have been engaged in this pointless but, fun discussion. I am a Hack. Frustrated Intermediate to begginer level old dude pushiing 50. These discussions are similiar to ( Beatles or Stones?) etc etc. I just wanted to throw out there, how come the late Terry Kath from the band Chicago is never ever mentioned in any of the discussions. ( as stupid and pointless as they are). There is that Story that at a pop festival. J. Hendrix said in a famous interview that he was there to see T. Kath because "this cat is better than me". some say Jimmie was being modest as he as humble and a great dude. But Hell then I put on 25 or 6 to 4 and I think I get what Jimmie means LOL Again I know these discussions are juvenile and stupid and that is not what I am doing here, just wanted to throw Mr. Kath's name out there. to see if his stuff elicits the same response to you guys. Could he be the most underated guitarist of all time? I listen to his stuff and I am friggin dumfounded and knumb. anyway,, play on boys. T. Kath rest in peace. T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houndman55 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Post a link to a solo or song so we can decide ourselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splake Posted November 9, 2014 Author Share Posted November 9, 2014 Post a link to a solo or song so we can decide ourselves? Dude now your gonna make me flirt with technology????? Just listen to the work on this classic tune. Listen all the way through, not just the solo. Below is the link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLiuMkGCOC4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveinspain Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Died too young for sure… Would love to hear what he would have sounded like using todays technology…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeman Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 so you hate when people post about who they think the best guitarist is and you did it as well. [confused] [confused] I vote for myself...i'm pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splake Posted November 9, 2014 Author Share Posted November 9, 2014 so you hate when people post about who they think the best guitarist is and you did it as well. [confused] [confused] I vote for myself...i'm pretty good. Yup Shore did, .. Sorry D, Forgot to add you to the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Searcy Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP4bm-T-1-E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretplay Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Yup Shore did, .. Sorry D, Forgot to add you to the list. Yes I agree it's all pointless, how do you rate an art against another. There were some fantastic guitar solos in the forgotten 50s, like the one in Rock Around the Clock and the one in Lipstick on your Collar the Connie Francis song. None of these guys get a mention. Usually the list is topped by Hendix but would he be if he was still alive now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splake Posted November 9, 2014 Author Share Posted November 9, 2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP4bm-T-1-E damn,,, Good stuff man!!! Love hearing Joe Walsh Chime in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Searcy Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Yes I agree it's all pointless, how do you rate an art against another. Yes, that's all pointless. But there is no reason we can't use this topic to talk about a very overlooked player. I know I just learned something... He (Kath) started the Pignose amplication company with other members of Chicago and decorated his Telecaster with 25 Pignose stickers and a Chicago Blackhawks logo. I had no idea he started PigNose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capmaster Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 “About the only other thing I'd want would be a wider neck. My fingers are so fat that sometimes I deaden the string next to the one I'm fretting.” ― Terry Kath He left me alone with that problem before I started playing. Now I know well what his talk was about, but I will never get over it the way he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L8_4thesh0w Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Yes, that's all pointless. But there is no reason we can't use this topic to talk about a very overlooked player. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGhyO5WTtk0 Chicago was never the same without him. Σß Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skilsaw Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 I vote for myself...i'm pretty good. i'll vot fer ya'll to if yus send me a dollar. This is the start of my crowd funding pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splake Posted November 9, 2014 Author Share Posted November 9, 2014 Only purpose of this post was that I find it interesting that when I hear younger, much much better artists than I will ever be talk about the masters, there are always the same names. Van halen, Hendrix, Stevie Ray , Carlos etc etc etc. Many of the younger dudes do not even know who Terry Kath was ? It is not important I guess. The only thing that matters is what I like, What music moves me. Hell I was 11 when he died and when Hendrix died I was still breast feeding. I always defer to the muscicians, for instance if a great muscian says that Dylan is the greatest song writer that ever lived or Jimi Hendrix was the greatest guitarist, who is a hack like me to say different. I know what I like thats all. No purpose of the post, I just thought it interesting that the dude is never mentioned... Hell what do I know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Scales Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Deeman is more underrated than Terry Kath (IMO) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 “About the only other thing I'd want would be a wider neck. My fingers are so fat that sometimes I deaden the string next to the one I'm fretting.” ― Terry Kath He left me alone with that problem before I started playing. Now I know well what his talk was about, but I will never get over it the way he did. One person who probably would have liked a new 2015 LP ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karloff Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 so you hate when people post about who they think the best guitarist is and you did it as well. [confused] [confused] I vote for myself...i'm pretty good. You get my vote as well. I've never heard you, but you've got an honest face... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I was a big Chicago fan for their first two albums. They had a sound unlike any before them (although some might compare them to Blood, Sweat, and Tears- a band that I could never really get into). After a while, I moved away from that sound into other directions. It was hard for me to see bands like the Temptations, Chicago, and Miles Davis taking on a psychedelic, protest, hippy-type persona since that didn't seem to me to jive with their sound; seemed kinda fake to me. And at the time, I was moving away from that pop sound into bands more guitar driven. I never really appreciated Kath. He was never really featured in that band. He did a great job of blending in and allowing the brass to be the larger part of their sound. As far as best guitarists lists... I think those lists reflect more the person making the list than the actual quality of the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdgm Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Kath was great. I saw him in 1970. Terrible shame and a stupid way to go, what a waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I never was into that sound either... never cared much for Hendrix either and figured such as BB could get more out of two notes on a roughly straight-out guitar signal than most folks could get out of 100. And Segovia and that lot ain't anything to sneeze at. BTW, "old dude pushing 50?" Cripes man, you're young enough to be my kid. As far as good pickers go, at any given time there are likely more than 1,000 guys who are exceptional not at copying other players but at truly original displays of raw talent and great technique. I've been astounded at what some of the old live radio guys could do - and could do in any music genre one might have imagined at the time. Thing is, it seems to me that the guys we consider real talents have bits and pieces of other good pickers, but functionally are themselves. Kinda like folks say Bunny Berigan tried to be like a white Louis - OTOH I'd rather suggest he was influenced by Armstrong's fluidity and the general "sound of the times." In the brass world I'd suggest Ruby Braff had much of the same fluidity, but definitely himself - perhaps to his professional detriment. In guitar, how many aren't influenced by such as BB at least to concepts in phrasing even if they're playing jazz? Or at least influenced by folks who were influenced by who were influenced by... One of the best jazz piano players I've ever known - now long gone - could keep you interested doing 15 minutes of variations on the Mickey Mouse Club theme. Backed up a young bird singer now known as Cheryl Ladd... She made it big, he didn't. Personality quotients play a big role in this stuff too. m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Paul Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 So many great guitarist pushed to the fore of the roar, while so many equally talented guitarists slipped back into the background noise. And how about all of the exceptional young guitarist out there right now, the one's who have regular day jobs and arn't famous. The numbers are too staggering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 marshall... Yup. I know our American football is a lot different from Australian rules, but I think the analogy will still "work." I love football, but frankly between work schedule and so many good players, I love to watch the game and the skills and the teamwork involved in making plays. But the names of the players and frankly the individual teams... I really don't care as long as it's a good game. I'm pretty much the same with music. With very few exceptions, most who made their names before the "guitar gods" of folks younger than I am, I guess I really don't know/care who played what unless there's a specific piece of music that catches my interest - and then nowadays I'll find the music and if possible a vid, and if somebody writes who the guitar player is, fine. If not, fine. And again, so many good guitarists are doing day jobs, practicing when they're not doing their weekend warrior gigs in various saloons, and only too often playing as closely as possible the same stuff other folks created and crafted while smothering their own creativity. <grump> ah, well. What sorta comment does one expect from a grumpy old man anyway. <grin> m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimi Mac Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Hey guys,,,,, I really hate when people have the discussion on who is the greatest guitarists that ever lived. We have all heard and I am sure many of us have been engaged in this pointless but, fun discussion. I am a Hack. Frustrated Intermediate to begginer level old dude pushiing 50. These discussions are similiar to ( Beatles or Stones?) etc etc. Wow, that sounds like it was written about me! I think we might be twins separated at birth... While I personally haven't followed much of the career or music of Terry Kath, I think I've heard him metioned in here quite a bit compared to elsewhere. There aren't many underrated and under heralded guitarists out there that aren't heralded and highly rated by lots of the fine folks in here! Such comparative discussions are yes pointless, but they do serve the purpose of carrying-on legacy for alot of artists that don't get enough regular discussion because invariably many of those lists contain names we all admire, but may have overlooked ourselves... It is not only a subjective discussion, but for myself personally, I can be moved based upon a performance or other mood altering event and from any given moment, my greatest of all time lists will be in different orders and even contain different names. My personal preferences and heroes is a might long and big list and the minute somebody wants me to pear it down to 10 or 12 or even 20, well I'm doing a disservice to my true feelings and have to go with my guts on how I feel at any given moment. I've seen performances by Peter Green, Albert King, Eric Clapton, SRV, Danny Kirwan, Otis Rush, and dozens others that would rate as the best guitaring I've ever seen. I think there is like this apex stratosphere of the pinnacle of guitar work that many many many achieve temporarily in specific performances and recorded work, but that such a top position is only held for a temporary and fleeting moment, until the next hero outdoes himself and hits the highest levels too... I have that same passion and feelings for the guitar playing of Danny Kirwan, I dearly wish him to be including in those lists of the best ever and I laud his playing and gush my praise for him in circles of deaf ears that simply ask; "Who?" Yet on this forum, I've run into many serious fans that hold him nearly as highly as I do and know plenty about him and his career! This place is special that way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReGuitar Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 You get my vote as well. I've never heard you, but you've got an honest face... Based on that I guess bad boys like Keith Richards and Slash are not on your list. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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