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I like your idea Riffster, but the new room is a lot smaller in the new house so that's not practical for the space I have

 

Oh yea, you have to customize your guitar set up and storage to your space. In my case I do have the room but now that I have too much crap I really had to tidy things up.

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You can delete the thread if you need to. It got pretty nasty there for a minute. Didnt expect this to happen

 

I wont do that.... It's very nice thread you threw out there for others that may be considering what you have accomplished [thumbup] .... It's only a few that have nothing else better to do.... But I have special powers to take care of that....lol [biggrin]

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For the record, I like Marshall Paul. I crack up reading his posts most of the time. But I gotta go with everyone else on this. My guitars have been hanging on the walls for years and have not seen them separate or crack or anything else. I am not an engineer, but I have tried to break down old furniture and stuff and most of the time the wood breaks before the glue joint does if its put together right. I don't see how ten pounds of wood is going to break that joint. Just my two cents.

 

 

That's OK Brian. I was simply puting in my two cents worth at the begining like everyone else, and as I am entitled to do also. I don't particularly agree with your point of view here, however, I'll fight to the end your right to disagree with me (lol). Because that's what your entitled to do. Because thats your opinion, and it holds as much value as mine. I respect that. What I don't respect and expect is when someone dives in on me and starts calling someone who I not only call a close, personal friend and a man whom I hold in very high regard, "cr#p". That does jab my soft rib. So, I think I've had it with the advice business for a while, and I think I'll just go back to just cracking you up. Sounds like a lot more fun eh.

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Yay Mopar! I've had one more of those than guitars. Of course, that's not counting the 2 crappy guitars I don't count when counting guitars!

 

Let's see... there was a '73 Dart w/318, a '76 Volare w/318 , an '83 Rampage w/2.2 & 5-spd Sport Transaxle... which I wish I still had.

 

But now I'm down to... an '84 D100 w/slant6 & 4-spd., an '84 Mirada w/slant6, and the obligatory Mom's Taxi... a '99 Voyager w/3.0.

 

(I don't count the Tempo or the Trooper either. [tongue] )

 

 

Oh yeah... nice rack w/full of guitars! [thumbup]

 

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This is gibsons responseHi,

 

Thanks for the email. For storage, we recommend keeping the instruments in their cases. If you would like to use wall hangers, I would recommend contacting the manufacturer of the product to make sure the materials are “Nitro Friendly”, as the dyes used in different materials can stain or eat away at the nitrocellulose lacquer finish on the guitar. We recommend covering the rubber parts on the stand/hanger with a 100% cotton cloth. This will help in preventing stand damage. Thanks again!

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Didnt andwer yhe question so I emailed them back abd asked if hanging the guitar causes any structural issues to neck joint or headstock and they said this-Hi,

 

Thanks for the reply. This shouldn't cause any issue.

 

 

G'day mate, just me again. Don't worry , not here to start any bushfires again. The day after, my techie came around with one of those flash stick memory thingies with 3 pictures of neck cracks on it. I have them here if your interested. They're not the best quality and I'm still trying to figure out how to post pics but I'll give it a go if you like. All three were LP's in private collections hanging for some considerable time. A cream coloured custom that was 11.5 years, the next two, black standards, 9.5 years and 8 years. Note, your reply from Gibson stated "shouldn't". I would take that to mean shouldn't but the possibility is always there. Also note that their factory, and guitar shops, don't hang theirs for any great deal of time, where as collections do. I'd use caution with mine.

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I dunno MP [confused]

 

Toque, Force and Compression are my expertise and gravity is cancelled out when a different reaction force is introduced, and in this case the string tension is the acting force on the guitar. Unless there was something initially wrong with the guitar neck joint I just cant see gravity alone causing the neck joint to be compromised, especially since there can be no buoyancy effect because the parts are now mating components, and if there is a gravity effect it's in unison and not acting against each other.

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That's OK Duane, I understand what your saying.The gravity you speak of is not the sole force acting here, and even if it were, they wouldn't be acting in unison, the force would not be centripedal, it would be cenrifugal as it were. I know it's a bit hard to get one's head around it, but it can happen. Not very often, and usually in collections that hang on a wall forever type situation. If you bear with me just a moment I can explain how it can happen. When we think of the guitar hanging up/down on the wall, we tend to think of those forces acting just in that up/down plane. That's called the first plane (longitudinaly) or first dimension. However, we don't live in a one dimensional world, we live in three dimensions. So, the other forces acting are left/right and in/out as it were. The second and third planes (dimensions). You have to remember, the guitar is not supposed to hang up/down in the first place, it's not it's normal position. It wasn't designed to do this. So when done for X ammount of time, somethings got to give (potentially). So, basicaly what forces are in play here are the up/down and the in/out (1&2). Combined, they are quite potent. Just imagine yourself hanging from the parallel bars in the gymn and then kicking your feet out doing a vertical sit-up. Bingo, same thing here. Another point Chris made (which I didn't know) is a lot of these collectors, when they do this sort of thing, they back the tension off on the strings so it still has the look of being ready to play but without the hassle of a string eventially pinging off from old age, and then having to re-string it. Now you really have 10 pounds acting in the up/down position, once again, something it was not designed to do. When Chris worked at Gibson, he specialised in repairs/modifications (which is why he is such a good custom builder these days I suppose). He saw a lot of this kind of damage comming in from collections, and had to effect their repair. But as he says, and I totally agree with, once something like this, say to a set neck LP, has happened, they're really not the same instrument anymore, playing wise that is. Personally, I would strip it of all it's good parts and then give it a viking funeral.I wouldn't touch one after that. But that's just me.

I'm not telling anyone not to do it, I simply want to make them aware, so they may make a more informed decission themselves thats all. I hope this helps some.

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Why would anyone assume that if you take a guitar down off the wall and the neck is cracked that the crack was caused by the guitar hanging on the wall? correlation is not causation. What were the humidity and temp readings in the collectors guitar room over the years? We have all likely seen reports on the internet of folks claiming the headstock broke off their Gibson guitars while the guitar was in the case. Does than mean the case caused the break?

 

I'm not trying to be combative but I am questioning your theory. Incredible claims require more evidence. :-k

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I have only owned one Chrysler product - still do - a 2005 Crossfire (which isn't really MOPAR, but Mercedes)... best car I've ever owned.

 

As far as hanging guitars. I want to play them - and that means they hang on the walls - all 19 of them. Some have been hanging for 20 years. I use String Swings and covert the hangers with felt. I am far more concerned about humidity (and wide temperature swings) than I am neck tension. I've never had a problem.... but I'm not telling you to do it...just don't judge me... :)

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All excellent points searcy. What were the temps and humidity levels in the collectors display rooms. Were there any other factors we're not aware of as well. Questions unfortunately I can't answer because although I personally own over 30 guitars, I'm not a luthier nor collector, I'm a player. My guitars have all either lived in their respective cases at home or have been in a floor rack just back stage or on stage with me. And it's not my theory. My expertise was in aeronautical engineering and orbital mechanics (fighters and thrust augmentation propulsion systems for satelites), I have never been a luthier. But I bow to their expertise because that's what they know. And I've had the great privilage of knowing a few in my time. And when they tell me something, I can follow their train of thought and understand. You say that correlation is not causation. Yet correlation is one of the main diagnostic tools used in engineering. When I flew flight test it was king. Question by all means, it's how we ultimately get answers. And as for more evidence, as stated in a previous post, Chris was kind enough to provide me with 3 photo's of hanging fractures. Now, if I can just get the hang of this Photobucket thing, I will happily try to download (upload?) these things for you here to see if you like (lol). I'm not here to try to convinve anyone of anything, really. I mearly stated this initially so that others could be aware of the potential of this happening that's all. Incredible claims they are not, that's not me. I'm not passing time on this site to try and shove my ideas down anyone's throat, that I think is not what this site is all about. It's here, I believe, for the free low of ideas and the healthy discussion of these ideas. I respect other peoples ideas here, there is a wealth of expertise, experience and ideas to be had. If the same respect cannot be afforded to me in turn, then, well, there's no real point to being here is there.

This is going to be my last post on this subject now. I get tired of it, as I'm sure poor Duane is riding herd on it. I'm going to slip sideways into some other posts and see if I can make some people laugh. A lot more fun than banging endlessly away on this topic.

Goodbye searcy.

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Does it matter when stored in the cases do they have to be laying flat,or pointed up,or on the side handle up? I looked it up on the internet no clear answer I found.

Here is what Gibson said. " It is generally best to lay the case flat or on its side." That is copied and pasted right out of the e-mail, that's all there was in it

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