sbpark Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Decided to get new pickups for my Casino. Just can't decide what color covers to get. Do I send the original chrome covers to get re-wound, or do I go with creme or black covers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blujag2013 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Leave them as they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluelake07 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 I like cream covers on a gold Les Paul (though those are soapbars) and think the Casino would look good, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbpark Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 After doing a lot of reading, watching videos and talking to three pickup makers I decided to ditch the idea of rewinding the stock pickups just t keep the metal covers. Pretty much every maker said the metal covers look great, but it's at the sacrifice of some tone, killing some of the highs and transparency of the pickup. They'd obviously have to be wax potted to help reduce feedback, which isn't a big deal. Two of the pickup makers said they'd gladly do it though, and it wouldn't be difficult at all. A third maker said he really didn't want to because de-soldering the old metal covers off of the existing stock pickups proved to be very difficult. Given all of that, I decided to just go with black plastic covers. Funny, because it was the least popular choice, but after thinking about it, I did not want it to look like a gold top les paul kind of theme, and the black covers kind of gives it a really old vibe, the way the black P90's looked in old ES-225's, etc. Before I ordered the pickups I just did a very quick and crude mock up using some rubber matting and the circles fished out of a paper hole puncher! I have to say, I kind of like the look! I ended up going with a Fralin set, with a standard bridge and a -15% wind on the neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitar12 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I think it looks great. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joevacc Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I like it too! Looks classier to me. It's probably going to sound much better! I have never heard a bad word about the Fralin's. Good luck ~ and as always we will be expecting a full photo essay upon completion! jv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErickC Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 The difference in sound due to pickup cover materials is infinitesimal compared to the differences in sound caused by everything from new strings to where you strum. It's just another guitar myth spread by people with something to sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbpark Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 The difference in sound due to pickup cover materials is infinitesimal compared to the differences in sound caused by everything from new strings to where you strum. It's just another guitar myth spread by people with something to sell. Yeah, I guess your right. I guess three independent, HIGHLY regarded and respected pickup makers have no clue what their talking about. I should just listen to you, someone I've never met, who probably knows nothing about making pickups, etc. Why do all this internet research when I could have just taken your uneducated, unsupported advice! What was I thinking! And FWIW, I'm buying pickups one way or the other, regardless if ended up using the stock covers or plastic. But hey man, apparently you're the expert, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Yeah, I guess your right. I guess three independent, HIGHLY regarded and respected pickup makers have no clue what their talking about. I should just listen to you, someone I've never met, who probably knows nothing about making pickups, etc. Why do all this internet research when I could have just taken your uneducated, unsupported advice! What was I thinking! And FWIW, I'm buying pickups one way or the other, regardless if ended up using the stock covers or plastic. But hey man, apparently you're the expert, right? You should try to remember that in this place people are offering their experience to you free of charge in order to help you not make mistakes that perhaps some of us have made or know of. I'm not selling you anything at all, and I too am telling you that the material of the cover of the pickup, and whether it has a cover or not, is not hearable. How many pickups have you uncovered or covered and noted much difference in? I can tell you all the guitars since the mid 70's I've uncovered or covered the pickups on, and the deafening lack of difference in the sound. So what you got? And you'll like the pickups a lot, Lindy makes some of the quietest, best single coils there are. I've had his in quite a few teles, and I trust his skills an awful lot. But I'd sit with a beer or a coffee and I'd tell him too it makes no difference. And he'd respect my experience right back. rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darling67 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I'd try white/cream covers. Match the pick guard. Otherwise, leave as is. Looks good with the nickel/chrome)?). But don't go with black. That just looks wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I'd try white/cream covers. Match the pick guard. Otherwise, leave as is. Looks good with the nickel/chrome)?). But don't go with black. That just looks wrong. That's what bugs me about the black 339. It screams white/cream p90s, but the PITA that Epi makes it to get covers bugs me. rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbpark Posted February 11, 2015 Author Share Posted February 11, 2015 You should try to remember that in this place people are offering their experience to you free of charge in order to help you not make mistakes that perhaps some of us have made or know of. I'm not selling you anything at all, and I too am telling you that the material of the cover of the pickup, and whether it has a cover or not, is not hearable. How many pickups have you uncovered or covered and noted much difference in? I can tell you all the guitars since the mid 70's I've uncovered or covered the pickups on, and the deafening lack of difference in the sound. So what you got? And you'll like the pickups a lot, Lindy makes some of the quietest, best single coils there are. I've had his in quite a few teles, and I trust his skills an awful lot. But I'd sit with a beer or a coffee and I'd tell him too it makes no difference. And he'd respect my experience right back. rct Thanks, but I really don't need your free 'advice'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkuss Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Any pics of the finished thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweed2 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I went through this about 5 years ago. The problem I had was that when I accessorize a guitar (or car or whatever), I like everything to match. You know, pickup covers, pick guards, knobs.... I discovered that the color "cream" varies a lot, from off white to light pink and everywhere in between. While I liked the general look, it drove me crazy trying to match it all. I went to black, problem solved. Here's the transition, in sequence. Same guitar, different "vibe". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Thanks, but I really don't need your free 'advice'. You must be great fun at parties. rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteWilson Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Thanks, but I really don't need your free 'advice'. If that is the case, why did you start this thread. You should have known that different people have different opinions and different experiences. If you do not want people to try to help you, then you should have not started the thread. By the way, you are not helping yourself by being rude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbpark Posted February 11, 2015 Author Share Posted February 11, 2015 If that is the case, why did you start this thread. You should have known that different people have different opinions and different experiences. If you do not want people to try to help you, then you should have not started the thread. By the way, you are not helping yourself by being rude. Rct was the one who decided to spout off and apparently didn't even read my original post. Either way I was going to be buying new pickups, so regardless of what three totally unrelated, and well-respected pickup makers told me about re-using the original metal covers and having them rewound or buying new pickups with plastic covers, none of them were blowing smoke just to sell me something, The stock pickups are way overwound for my liking. His reply was very sarcastic and elitist and came across like he just wanted to mouth off and puff up his chest instead of actually addressing the original post. Either way, I was looking for a consensus on the cover color, not whether or not he agrees or not whether or not the metal covers make a difference in sound compared to plastic. Either way, I learned my lesson. Most people on here don't read the posts and just spout off without actually considering the original post. No worries. Lesson learned. The sad thing is some who think they know it all ruin it and turn the forum into a joke. I've noticed this is more the case in the Epiphone section compared to the Gibson section. People on the Gibson section seem to be more respectful and actually know what they are talking about. Over here in the Epiphone sections there are some really nice people, but also reading through older threads on various subjects people are less respectful toward others, seem to give unsupported info. More of an amateur hour! Guess I learned my lesson and Ill stick to asking questions elsewhere. You guys can keep your forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darling67 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 That's what bugs me about the black 339. It screams white/cream p90s, but the PITA that Epi makes it to get covers bugs me. rct Yeah, the ebony ES-339 could have used cream P90's. All black is a bit one-dimensional. Glad I went with the cherry (see my NGD post). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteWilson Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Rct was the one who decided to spout off and apparently didn't even read my original post. Either way I was going to be buying new pickups, so regardless of what three totally unrelated, and well-respected pickup makers told me about re-using the original metal covers and having them rewound or buying new pickups with plastic covers, none of them were blowing smoke just to sell me something, The stock pickups are way overwound for my liking. His reply was very sarcastic and elitist and came across like he just wanted to mouth off and puff up his chest instead of actually addressing the original post. Either way, I was looking for a consensus on the cover color, not whether or not he agrees or not whether or not the metal covers make a difference in sound compared to plastic. Either way, I learned my lesson. Most people on here don't read the posts and just spout off without actually considering the original post. No worries. Lesson learned. The sad thing is some who think they know it all ruin it and turn the forum into a joke. I've noticed this is more the case in the Epiphone section compared to the Gibson section. People on the Gibson section seem to be more respectful and actually know what they are talking about. Over here in the Epiphone sections there are some really nice people, but also reading through older threads on various subjects people are less respectful toward others, seem to give unsupported info. More of an amateur hour! Guess I learned my lesson and Ill stick to asking questions elsewhere. You guys can keep your forum! See ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Rct was the one who decided to spout off and apparently didn't even read my original post. Either way I was going to be buying new pickups, so regardless of what three totally unrelated, and well-respected pickup makers told me about re-using the original metal covers and having them rewound or buying new pickups with plastic covers, none of them were blowing smoke just to sell me something, The stock pickups are way overwound for my liking. His reply was very sarcastic and elitist and came across like he just wanted to mouth off and puff up his chest instead of actually addressing the original post. Either way, I was looking for a consensus on the cover color, not whether or not he agrees or not whether or not the metal covers make a difference in sound compared to plastic. Either way, I learned my lesson. Most people on here don't read the posts and just spout off without actually considering the original post. No worries. Lesson learned. The sad thing is some who think they know it all ruin it and turn the forum into a joke. I've noticed this is more the case in the Epiphone section compared to the Gibson section. People on the Gibson section seem to be more respectful and actually know what they are talking about. Over here in the Epiphone sections there are some really nice people, but also reading through older threads on various subjects people are less respectful toward others, seem to give unsupported info. More of an amateur hour! Guess I learned my lesson and Ill stick to asking questions elsewhere. You guys can keep your forum! Well that's good, leaves you more time for some decaf. rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L8_4thesh0w Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Decided to get new pickups for my Casino. Just can't decide what color covers to get. Do I send the original chrome covers to get re-wound, or do I go with creme or black covers? Since no one else did, I'll bite. How do you rewind a cover? Yeah, I guess your right. I guess three independent, HIGHLY regarded and respected pickup makers have no clue what their talking about. I should just listen to you, someone I've never met, who probably knows nothing about making pickups, etc. Why do all this internet research when I could have just taken your uneducated, unsupported advice! What was I thinking! And FWIW, I'm buying pickups one way or the other, regardless if ended up using the stock covers or plastic. But hey man, apparently you're the expert, right? Thanks, but I really don't need your free 'advice'. Rct was the one who decided to spout off and apparently didn't even read my original post. Either way I was going to be buying new pickups, so regardless of what three totally unrelated, and well-respected pickup makers told me about re-using the original metal covers and having them rewound or buying new pickups with plastic covers, none of them were blowing smoke just to sell me something, The stock pickups are way overwound for my liking. His reply was very sarcastic and elitist and came across like he just wanted to mouth off and puff up his chest instead of actually addressing the original post. Either way, I was looking for a consensus on the cover color, not whether or not he agrees or not whether or not the metal covers make a difference in sound compared to plastic. Either way, I learned my lesson. Most people on here don't read the posts and just spout off without actually considering the original post. No worries. Lesson learned. The sad thing is some who think they know it all ruin it and turn the forum into a joke. I've noticed this is more the case in the Epiphone section compared to the Gibson section. People on the Gibson section seem to be more respectful and actually know what they are talking about. Over here in the Epiphone sections there are some really nice people, but also reading through older threads on various subjects people are less respectful toward others, seem to give unsupported info. More of an amateur hour! Guess I learned my lesson and Ill stick to asking questions elsewhere. You guys can keep your forum! I repeat; how do you rewind a cover? After all this I would suggest dog $h!† brown... no, make that... monkey see, monkey do doo brown! I didn't realize this was the zoo. Just reading this made me feel like I had crap thrown at me... and I hadn't even replied! See ya. wouldn't wanta be ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbpark Posted February 12, 2015 Author Share Posted February 12, 2015 Since no one else did, I'll bite. How do you rewind a cover? I repeat; how do you rewind a cover? After all this I would suggest dog $h!† brown... no, make that... monkey see, monkey do doo brown! I didn't realize this was the zoo. Just reading this made me feel like I had crap thrown at me... and I hadn't even replied! wouldn't wanta be ya! Dude, you know what I meant. I had to send in the stock pickups to get rewound, and they'd re-use the covers. Seems like every other dimwit knew what I was talking about. Apparently you're a few neurons short of putting those pieces together. and here's a little education for the next time someone comes here for some information about this topic, because you apparently don't have a clue. Real classy buddy. SO basically you stooped to my level. You send back the stock pickups to have them rewound and use the stock covers. The imported Casinos are problematic because the neck pickup is a different size than a standard P90, with slightly narrower string spacing. So if you want to keep the stock look (meaning the metal covers) you have to send in the stock pickups to be rewound (see how I said stock pickups, because you obviously weren't sharp enough to understand what I was saying previously, or you were just stretching to try and find fault in what I wrote). Nobody makes a metal aftermarket cover EXCEPT for Kent Armstrong, and those are Korean made, which is fine, but for only a few $ more than the imports you can have Fralin or Lollar rewind the stock pickups and use the stock covers. Otherwise you have to go with plastic covers. And FWIW, again, if you knew anything about what you were talking about (which you apparently don't) you'd know that they don't make covers for these guitars in $h!t brown. Only black and cream, but again, since you don't seem to know much about what you're talking about, I wouldn't expect you to know that, either! Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L8_4thesh0w Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 You made such a big hairy deal about the OP, I could not help but take it to the extreme. Maybe you should go back and read what you typed there instead of what you see in your own mind. Do you not realize questioning my intelligence reveals you to be even more a jack-a$$ than before? Since one shower a day is enough, I bid you adieu in lieu of any further muck-raking. In any event, please feel free to re-commence the flinging of your dung, as you see fit, with my blessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Theres a couple companies that'll take your covers and make them out of whatever material you would like, and send you the originals and the new ones back, so you can restore it in case you had to sell it or whatever. It isn't really expensive at all, compared to the rewind stuff. But let me be clear about this, if I was going to go through a rewind, it would without doubt be Lindy, whether we ever agree on the part the material plays in the sound or not. People used to skwawk about ferrous metal tele bridges, and how they effect the "tone", and that if you truly wanted super great tele tone, you had to buy one of the uber expensive Monterose stainless bridge plates, stainless saddles, and stainless screws to go with it. 'spensive, even in the 80s. There was, at that time, another famous pickup maker that worked not too far from Lindy and he made really nice and really expensive bladed pickups that famous guys like Danny Gatton and not-so-famous guys like me used, I had at one time four teles with his in them, that woulda been over a thousand dollars worth of pickups at that time. I was on the phone with him yakking about this latest telemabob I was making just right with his pickups again and mentioned I hadn't seen the stainless bridge thing going around for a while and I wondered if he knew what had become of the fellow that promoted that idea and he laughed and bellowed "damn, I was hoping you wanted one so I could sell you a river type bridge up in Noo Yawk with it". Good luck with whatever you decide. I don't know the Lollar stuff, my days of booteek pickups are behind me a long way. They are just as good as everyone says, I am sure. I am also certain that the one pair of pickups I would ever want back is a pair that Lindy made for me that were in a Candy Apple California Tele that I gave away. MAN I shoulda kept those pickups. rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbpark Posted February 12, 2015 Author Share Posted February 12, 2015 Theres a couple companies that'll take your covers and make them out of whatever material you would like, and send you the originals and the new ones back, so you can restore it in case you had to sell it or whatever. It isn't really expensive at all, compared to the rewind stuff. But let me be clear about this, if I was going to go through a rewind, it would without doubt be Lindy, whether we ever agree on the part the material plays in the sound or not. People used to skwawk about ferrous metal tele bridges, and how they effect the "tone", and that if you truly wanted super great tele tone, you had to buy one of the uber expensive Monterose stainless bridge plates, stainless saddles, and stainless screws to go with it. 'spensive, even in the 80s. There was, at that time, another famous pickup maker that worked not too far from Lindy and he made really nice and really expensive bladed pickups that famous guys like Danny Gatton and not-so-famous guys like me used, I had at one time four teles with his in them, that woulda been over a thousand dollars worth of pickups at that time. I was on the phone with him yakking about this latest telemabob I was making just right with his pickups again and mentioned I hadn't seen the stainless bridge thing going around for a while and I wondered if he knew what had become of the fellow that promoted that idea and he laughed and bellowed "damn, I was hoping you wanted one so I could sell you a river type bridge up in Noo Yawk with it". Good luck with whatever you decide. I don't know the Lollar stuff, my days of booteek pickups are behind me a long way. They are just as good as everyone says, I am sure. I am also certain that the one pair of pickups I would ever want back is a pair that Lindy made for me that were in a Candy Apple California Tele that I gave away. MAN I shoulda kept those pickups. Thanks again for the reply. rct Wow, well seriously I appreciate the genuine response. I did end up going with Fralins. A Stock bridge and a -15% under wound neck, with blakc plastic covers. Regardless of the debate of whether or not the metal covers change anything sound wise, I also took into consideration what you just mentioned, that I can put the stock pickups back in if i ever decided to part with the guitar for whatever reason and keep the Fralins. From what I read and heard listening to the Lollars, they sound good, but not really classic P90's. I would dare to say that Fralins also aren't really 'traditional' P90s since he uses A4 magnets, and as far as I know, the old ones used A2 magnets. Regardless, anything is better than the stockers and Lindy and Chuck were super nice to talk to. And their guarantee is second to none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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