RowdyMoon Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Ironic that the fanatic belief will prob be what brings them down in the end.......if we play this smartly that is..... http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/12/02/all-female-kurdish-unit-takes-on-isis-pkg-wedeman-cnn-today.cnn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanHenry Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 The RAF has now joined in the bombing of Isis in Syria. It's not good to drop bombs on anyone but I don't think we have any choice with those people. They are animals who are still living in medieval time, and there sole objective is the destruction of the free World and everyone in it. I think it's a case of get them before they get us. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 yes, sadly this an unfortunate truth in this whole issue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksdaddy Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Operation Glass Ashtray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly campbell Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I agree but we should not have waited this long,only making the job more difficult now. Sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. C.O. Jones Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 With all those satelites and drones flying around I really wonder why they don't bombed those sick fux a long time ago. In their training camps without having civilians killed! And I would ask you all please to not call them animals anymore. Animals are pure and don't kill for fun or religion. A mosquitos life is more worth to me than all their lifes together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanHenry Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 With all those satelites and drones flying around I really wonder why they don't bombed those sick fux a long time ago. In their training camps without having civilians killed! And I would ask you all please to not call them animals anymore. Animals are pure and don't kill for fun or religion. A mosquitos life is more worth to me than all their lifes together. Sorry, Animal reference retracted! Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 psychologists say that humans are very good at self deception. We all do this to some extent. The zealots however, are shackled to the lies they invest in. Who is more zealous than ISIS? Girl Power. Woman power. All for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digger Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Bombing helps but it's only boots on the ground that takes and holds territory. However I'd hate to see Aussies get involved in that bloody quagmire like we did in Afghanistan. Some of our SAS blokes did multiple tours and many of them will crash and burn in later life unfortunately. (usually in their 50's) It is a small highly specialised force that was overused by our government and I'd hate to see them thrown into action in an even worse hell hole just yet. Shades of Vietnam sucking up lives and resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 This more than any other is a conflict where intelligence is the most critical component. This is why we are being asked to accept measures that impinge of our privacy (surveillance). It was said that the mobile (cell) phone has been the most useful device in anti-terrorism now. Because if our forces learn their number, they have found them. Launch that drone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg50 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Maybe it's because I'm an American, but I feel like ISIS is free to do what it wants as long as they do not encroach upon the freedoms of my fellow citizens. ISIS is currently encroaching on the rights of the folks who chant "Death to America" and who gas their own citizens, so I'm not terribly concerned with stopping them. And before anyone tries to say me with talk about France and terrorism, I'm sure that ISIS feels like that France went thousands miles out of its way to get involved first. When you get involved in armed conflict, you have to expect casualties, and you have to suck it up if the casualties happen in a way that you feel is dishonorable. IBTL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Maybe it's because I'm an American, but I feel like ISIS is free to do what it wants as long as they do not encroach upon the freedoms of my fellow citizens. ISIS is currently encroaching on the rights of the folks who chant "Death to America" and who gas their own citizens, so I'm not terribly concerned with stopping them. And before anyone tries to say me with talk about France and terrorism, I'm sure that ISIS feels like that France went thousands miles out of its way to get involved first. When you get involved in armed conflict, you have to expect casualties, and you have to suck it up if the casualties happen in a way that you feel is dishonorable. IBTL Isolationism never worked very well for the US or for anyone else historically. It tempting to see it as someone else's problem and adopt the 'I'm alright Jack, pull up the ladder' stance. However you are most certainly not OK. America is involved. As for homeland USA, wasn't one 9/11 enough for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanHenry Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Maybe it's because I'm an American, but I feel like ISIS is free to do what it wants as long as they do not encroach upon the freedoms of my fellow citizens. ISIS is currently encroaching on the rights of the folks who chant "Death to America" and who gas their own citizens, so I'm not terribly concerned with stopping them. And before anyone tries to say me with talk about France and terrorism, I'm sure that ISIS feels like that France went thousands miles out of its way to get involved first. When you get involved in armed conflict, you have to expect casualties, and you have to suck it up if the casualties happen in a way that you feel is dishonorable. IBTL "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Bombing helps but it's only boots on the ground that takes and holds territory. However I'd hate to see Aussies get involved in that bloody quagmire like we did in Afghanistan. Some of our SAS blokes did multiple tours and many of them will crash and burn in later life unfortunately. (usually in their 50's) It is a small highly specialised force that was overused by our government and I'd hate to see them thrown into action in an even worse hell hole just yet. Shades of Vietnam sucking up lives and resources. There's more than one way to "give" your life. All (well, most) of the vets I have known a little or a lot that have seen combat are a little messed up in the head, in one way or another. Not to say there isn't hope, or they are beyond repair, rather, I see some sacrifice involved. As far as that goes, it's hard NOT to appreciate what they have done, both for the better of my country, and for the world. Who knows haw many lives they saved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdgm Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Maybe it's because I'm an American, but I feel like ISIS is free to do what it wants as long as they do not encroach upon the freedoms of my fellow citizens. ISIS is currently encroaching on the rights of the folks who chant "Death to America" and who gas their own citizens, so I'm not terribly concerned with stopping them. And before anyone tries to say me with talk about France and terrorism, I'm sure that ISIS feels like that France went thousands miles out of its way to get involved first. When you get involved in armed conflict, you have to expect casualties, and you have to suck it up if the casualties happen in a way that you feel is dishonorable. IBTL (EDIT) A depressing post! Please excuse me but I think you really must not know the truth of the situation. They have already done much more than encroached upon the freedoms of some of your fellow citizens; they have brutally murdered them and recorded the act on camera for propaganda purposes. Please perhaps review the history of American involvement - and its consequences - in Iraq since 9/11. And....Dec 7th soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg50 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Isolationism never worked very well for the US or for anyone else historically. It tempting to see it as someone else's problem and adopt the 'I'm alright Jack, pull up the ladder' stance. However you are most certainly not OK. America is involved. As for homeland USA, wasn't one 9/11 enough for you? There is no such thing as isolationism in the 21st century, I'm not sure which conclusion you've jumped off to, but I'm talking about simply not attacking people. That doesn't preclude discussion and trade. And 9/11, from the perspective of many in the Arab world, was retribution for America's crimes. I'd say we'd do better not to escalate and again, not attack people. (EDIT) A depressing post! Please excuse me but I think you really must not know the truth of the situation. They have already done much more than encroached upon the freedoms of some of your fellow citizens; they have brutally murdered them and recorded the act on camera for propaganda purposes. Please perhaps review the history of American involvement - and its consequences - in Iraq since 9/11. And....Dec 7th soon. Again, from the perspective of many in the Arab world, those people were murdered as retribution for America's crimes. I'd say we'd do better not to escalate. What part of the American involvement in Iraq since 9/11 are you referring to? The part where we saved the world from the WMD? Did you perhaps mean Afghanistan and the hunt for the man who architected the 9/11 attacks? You'll understand if I don't take you seriously when you say I don't know the truth of the situation. Finally, I don't think it was the Syrians who bombed Pearl Harbor on Dec 7, it was the Japanese. "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" Ian Ah, that's good and pithy! So are you suggesting that all Arabs are evil or just the ones that you don't like? Please tell me more about how US is the force of good bravely challenging the will of evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 I don't think it was the Syrians who bombed Pearl Harbor on Dec 7, it was the Japanese. Please tell me more about how US is the force of good bravely challenging the will of evil. WWII, saving Europe from the Nazi regime, Saving China and Indonesia from the Japanese Empire..... Desert Storm, saving Kuwait from Sadam's regime, Afghanistan, saving the west from Al Qaeda..... The list goes on. Many Americans have spilled their blood at the invitation of other nations, and that sacrifice HAS made the world a better place. Land of the Free. Home of the Brave. It's not just a cool phrase, it's earned. And also of major contribution, is the bravery and sacrifice of those whom we fought with and for. Many of which were fighting loosing battles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg50 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 WWII, saving Europe from the Nazi regime, Saving China and Indonesia from the Japanese Empire..... Desert Storm, saving Kuwait from Sadam's regime, Afghanistan, saving the west from Al Qaeda..... The list goes on. Many Americans have spilled their blood at the invitation of other nations, and that sacrifice HAS made the world a better place. Land of the Free. Home of the Brave. It's not just a cool phrase, it's earned. And also of major contribution, is the bravery and sacrifice of those whom we fought with and for. Many of which were fighting loosing battles. How do you reconcile that the long term effect of US military involvement in the Middle East has led to the rise of ISIS? Oh, sure, you can say that the US decimated Al Qaeda, but the goal was to eliminate its threat, not the named group, and the threat remains. I believe President Bush referred to it as a War on Terror, not just a war on a particular terrorist cell. How can you say that the US has saved the west from terror when Paris and San Bernardino were attacked so recently? I don't think it is expedient to bring in the sacrifice of our service men and women, of course their bravery and dedication is profoundly meaningful. Unless you meant something more by that statement... are you insinuating that it's unamerican to question US policy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanHenry Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 There is no such thing as isolationism in the 21st century, I'm not sure which conclusion you've jumped off to, but I'm talking about simply not attacking people. That doesn't preclude discussion and trade. And 9/11, from the perspective of many in the Arab world, was retribution for America's crimes. I'd say we'd do better not to escalate and again, not attack people. Again, from the perspective of many in the Arab world, those people were murdered as retribution for America's crimes. I'd say we'd do better not to escalate. What part of the American involvement in Iraq since 9/11 are you referring to? The part where we saved the world from the WMD? Did you perhaps mean Afghanistan and the hunt for the man who architected the 9/11 attacks? You'll understand if I don't take you seriously when you say I don't know the truth of the situation. Finally, I don't think it was the Syrians who bombed Pearl Harbor on Dec 7, it was the Japanese. Ah, that's good and pithy! So are you suggesting that all Arabs are evil or just the ones that you don't like? Please tell me more about how US is the force of good bravely challenging the will of evil. I'm not sure how you've drawn the conclusion that I believe all Arabs are Evil and that the U.S is "the" force for good, but I do wonder how you've got the idea that the U.S can simply pull up the drawbridge and not get involved. I think it would be worth your while reading up on the Caliphate and it's ultimate objective, it may change your view. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanHenry Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 I'm not sure how you've drawn the conclusion that I believe all Arabs are Evil and that the U.S is "the" force for good, but I do wonder how you've got the idea that the U.S can simply pull up the drawbridge and not get involved. I think it would be worth your while reading up on the Caliphate and it's ultimate objective, it may change your view. Ian ps, I don't dislike any of the "Arabs" that I've come across in my travels, you've just got to accept that their culture is very different from ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I'm not sure how you've drawn the conclusion that I believe all Arabs are Evil and that the U.S is "the" force for good, Ian It appears that by venturing a contrary opinion you are assumed to embrace everything that bugs him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanHenry Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 It appears that by venturing a contrary opinion you are assumed to embrace everything that bugs him. Yes, he seems to have declined to comment further. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digger Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Sometimes people chose not to continue a contentious point rather than get into an argument, doesnt mean they have backed down. During WW11 a lot of young American boys died in the Pacific theatre. Whether the intention was to protect Australia, or for other reasons is immaterial, as apart from bombing in our north we were never invaded, an otherwise likely outcome. I volunteered for Vietnam to help pay back that debt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg50 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Yes, he seems to have declined to comment further. Ian Are you trolling me? You throw around sweeping statements about good and evil with nothing to support them and somehow you feel like you've made a point that merits a response? If you want to demonstrate your wisdom, say something. So which arabs are evil in your eyes then? Just the caliphate? Why are they evil? Is the Syrian gov't also evil? You know, since the US supplied the Syrian rebels? Or maybe also the Iraqis too since the US invaded it to keep the WMDs out of Hussein's hands? Or because Hussein threatened to kill President Bush's Dad. Are the Afghan people evil? Are any other people evil? DPRK? Are you one of the folks who believes in the "axis of evil?" And what makes the US good? What qualifies the US to be the arbiter of good and evil and to intervene in such affairs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Are you trolling me? You throw around sweeping statements about good and evil with nothing to support them and somehow you feel like you've made a point that merits a response? If you want to demonstrate your wisdom, say something. So which arabs are evil in your eyes then? Just the caliphate? Why are they evil? Is the Syrian gov't also evil? You know, since the US supplied the Syrian rebels? Or maybe also the Iraqis too since the US invaded it to keep the WMDs out of Hussein's hands? Or because Hussein threatened to kill President Bush's Dad. Are the Afghan people evil? Are any other people evil? DPRK? Are you one of the folks who believes in the "axis of evil?" And what makes the US good? What qualifies the US to be the arbiter of good and evil and to intervene in such affairs? No one has said anything you're accusing them of. Read back & see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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