maxime1122 Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 I'm doing some comparison these days between my Les Paul, and I though it would be cool for you to guess the order of the guitars used in a clip. In the clip, I was using 3 of my Les Paul (in no particular order): - Gibson Custom Les Paul Axcess (Gibson 498T/496R) - Gibson Les Paul Studio (Gibson 498T/490R) - Gibson Les Paul Traditional (Seymour Duncan APH-2 Set) Can you guess the order of the guitars used in the clip? Which one did you prefer? Both They were plugged straight into a Marshall 1959SLP Super Lead Plexi, through the same cabinets (Marshall 1960AX and 1960BX). One Celestion Greenback G12M-25 was mic'ed with a Shure SM57 straight where the dustcap and cone meet, about 1" from the grill cloth. No post-processing was applied to those tracks (no EQ, no reverb, etc.). Thanks!
capmaster Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 No clues. Too much distortion to judge anything. Next to all tone comes from the amp. It's audible that bridge pickups have been used for all the tracks, but that's it.
btoth76 Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 Hello and welcome to the Forums! Yes, Capmaster is right. At these gain levels, all pickups going to sound the same, through the same amp settings. Try it clean. Cheers... Bence
maxime1122 Posted January 11, 2016 Author Posted January 11, 2016 Hello and welcome to the Forums! Yes, Capmaster is right. At these gain levels, all pickups going to sound the same, through the same amp settings. Try it clean. Cheers... Bence If you listen with headphone, you will hear a difference between the 3, even with overdrive!
capmaster Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 If you listen with headphone, you will hear a difference between the 3, even with overdrive! Due to my hobby #2, sound engineering, I'm a tone gourmet, and the Bose desktop speakers I use translate all the differences. It doesn't help though because guitars can mask the pickups' impact on tone very well, in particular when using high gains. Furthermore, I have 498Ts in several guitars stock and know about the differences between my LPs including Axcess and Traditional but don't know the APH-2 PUs. Above a certain gain level it is virtually impossible to hear out if I played any of my LPs, SGs, L6Ses 2011, my Explorer, my Epiphone LP 1960 Tribute Plus, any of my Fender Telecasters with noiseless pickups, at least two of my four SSS noiseless modded MIM HSS FR Strats, or my Ibanez AR720, and maybe some others which I typically don't use for high-gain settings. Even in high-gain settings longer lasting notes or chords can be of help to sort them out by different decays of certain fundamentals and overtones, but even that will depend on the notes and chords played. There's next to no chance to discern between my Fender American Deluxe Telecaster Ash and my LP Traditional 2013 in most high-gain applications. Clear tones allow for that in an instant. The best way is to compare the guitar jack output signal with nothing but a line driver before recording and no sound processing at all. This is, by the way, how I'm practicing about 70% of the time when using magnetic pickups regardless of guitar, and, of course, 100% when using the piezos of my hybrid solidbodies.
maxime1122 Posted January 11, 2016 Author Posted January 11, 2016 Due to my hobby #2, sound engineering, I'm a tone gourmet, and the Bose desktop speakers I use translate all the differences. It doesn't help though because guitars can mask the pickups' impact on tone very well, in particular when using high gains. Furthermore, I have 498Ts in several guitars stock and know about the differences between my LPs including Axcess and Traditional but don't know the APH-2 PUs. Above a certain gain level it is virtually impossible to hear out if I played any of my LPs, SGs, L6Ses 2011, my Explorer, my Epiphone LP 1960 Tribute Plus, any of my Fender Telecasters with noiseless pickups, at least two of my four SSS noiseless modded MIM HSS FR Strats, or my Ibanez AR720, and maybe some others which I typically don't use for high-gain settings. Even in high-gain settings longer lasting notes or chords can be of help to sort them out by different decays of certain fundamentals and overtones, but even that will depend on the notes and chords played. There's next to no chance to discern between my Fender American Deluxe Telecaster Ash and my LP Traditional 2013 in most high-gain applications. Clear tones allow for that in an instant. The best way is to compare the guitar jack output signal with nothing but a line driver before recording and no sound processing at all. This is, by the way, how I'm practicing about 70% of the time when using magnetic pickups regardless of guitar, and, of course, 100% when using the piezos of my hybrid solidbodies. I see, but at the same time, I know I like some pickups better with overdrive/gain, there's a difference for sure even with gain! Van Halen wouldn't sound the same with an EMG 81 :P
capmaster Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 I see, but at the same time, I know I like some pickups better with overdrive/gain, there's a difference for sure even with gain! Van Halen wouldn't sound the same with an EMG 81 :P That much is clear. Anyway, if a song of mine calls for clean, crunchy and highly overdriven tones, the desired clean sound determines what guitar I use. In case of needing piezo tones, too, my choice is further limited, but there's always a way of doing. For recording I typically use three guitars per song for uncompromised tone, but only one will appear at a time.
capmaster Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 All the same. rct Definitely as soon as bass and drums set in.
pippy Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 Through my 'phones it sounded like the first had the least treble by a tiny margin and the second had the most by an even tinier margin. That could, of course, just be down to the relative positioning of the tracks to each other. Also my PC's soundcard is hardly to Recording Studio standards... ....and, as has already been pointed out, when the drum'n'bass kicks in............ Just for fun I'll take a guess and say Trad; Access; Studio. But as I'm unfamiliar with the SD's that guess is worth the paper it's written on....lol! Would you consider posting clean examples to see if the differences are more noticeable? FWIW a long while back I posted, on a different forum (although I think eventually it ended up here, too), a clip comparing two LP re-issues, an R9 and an R0, which seemed to illustrate how two 'identical' (neck-profile apart) and identically spec'd guitars ('57 Classics; 500k Audio-Taper pots etc.) can differ quite markedly sonically. Each LP has definitely got it's own 'voice'. Pip.
kidblast Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 Seems that I hear the same as pippy. so I can hear a difference, slightly.. (I have pretty good speakers too) But I have to agree with the rest of the guys, you'll loose some of the subtle characteristics when the gain gets cranked on. I thought overall it was a good sound you had going in all three samples, just hard to really hear each ones own voice.
'Scales Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 #2 sounded quite different to me each time, and not in a good way. I prefered 1 & 3. Other than that I've no idea. Nice amp.
maxime1122 Posted January 13, 2016 Author Posted January 13, 2016 1. LP Studio 2. LP Axcess 3. LP Trad :)
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