saturn Posted January 17, 2016 Posted January 17, 2016 Rabs Beatles on Youtube thread got me thinking about something, but I didn't want to hi-jack his topic. ( BTW happy anniversary Rabs :) ) It seems that of all the vast amount of material uploaded to Youtube, Beatles stuff is about the most likely to be squashed by "the man" I've noticed on many occasions, a video I've watched featuring music of The Beatles and came back later to view it more and it's been removed or had the audio cut off. Well, I recently experienced this phenomenon first hand. As some of you might remember me posting, about a year and a half ago my good friend and bandmate Ed died suddenly. For his viewing and funeral services, I hastily compiled a bunch of old (mostly band) photos into one of those slideshows as a tribute. I actually made 2 because there were so many photos. One of the shows featured music by REM "The One I love". The other was longer and I used Queen "You're My Best Friend" and that medley from Abbey Road finishing with "in the end the love you take...". I showed them at his viewing and later uploaded them to Youtube for his friends and family to view whenever they wanted. Shortly after uploading them I noticed some kind of comment or something about Copyrighted material???? Then a few weeks ago, I went to view them again for myself. I noticed that the audio on the one featuring Queen and The Beatles music had been disabled. WTF? I have to assume that it was The Beatles music which caused the offense. But, first off, nowhere in the title or description was the artist or song titles even mentioned. Was this reported by someone, or is there some type of "sniffing" software that goes out and locates audio files? Secondly, at most there were a couple hundred views on these things. Compared to the literally millions of other "hits" out there, why would this even attract any attention? Any thoughts on how/why this happened? I went ahead and removed the one with no audio as it ruins it without the songs. For now the other one is still up and audio works.
Rabs Posted January 17, 2016 Posted January 17, 2016 Yeah it is a bit odd.. I think its a mix of things, they do have automatic recognition software cos theres been several times ive uploaded something and got the copyright notice straight away... But id imagine what happens is that when a person does get one of those it goes to someone at the record company (or who ever owns it) and then they review it and decide if it should stay up or not... Whats odd is on one of my guitar videos I had like 10 seconds of a queen song right at the end, the first time I uploaded it I got a notice, then I did a shorter version of the video with the same music at the end and still to this day have never had a notice about it? Plus sometimes you get a notice to take things down on things you don't expect and are left alone with others.. Like I went to see Asia a few years back and put some footage up.. Some they asked me to take down, some is still there today... Now in that case I think its cos the band had been fighting about who owns what song, so it was literally down to the individual song rather than the whole group. Then when I went to see Macca I uploaded some footage from that expecting almost to get a take it down notice, and even though I got the copyright one, they decided to leave it up? So who knows..... What I want to know is what Facebooks policy is... You can seem to upload anything there you want...??? I uploaded one of my vids yesterday with Jennifer Batten playing flight of the bumble bee which on youtube got a copyright notice (but I don't mind cos it means they get paid when someone watches my video) but on Facebook I wonder if anything will happen? Will someone report me for using music that I don't own ?
rct Posted January 17, 2016 Posted January 17, 2016 You could conceivably make some money off YouTube ads, so you can't do that. I don't know about FB, but I don't think the poster gets ad revenue. rct
Rabs Posted January 17, 2016 Posted January 17, 2016 You could conceivably make some money off YouTube ads, so you can't do that. I don't know about FB, but I don't think the poster gets ad revenue. rct Well if you get a copyright notice you will have ads.. But the owner gets the money.. you have no control over it if you want to use someone elses music. Apart from that I don't have ads on the videos where the content is totally my own.
Guest Farnsbarns Posted January 17, 2016 Posted January 17, 2016 They use digital fingerprinting to recognise music. All you have to do is choose "standard youtube license" when you upload it, rather than another option which might reflect that you have your own license or that it's all your own work. It's about the monetisation. If you pick anything else you're claiming the right to monetise the video, which you can't do if you don't own the content. On rare occasions the music may belong to someone who specifically denies youtube a lisece, then it will be removed regardless.
saturn Posted January 17, 2016 Author Posted January 17, 2016 They use digital fingerprinting to recognise music. All you have to do is choose "standard youtube license" when you upload it, rather than another option which might reflect that you have your own license or that it's all your own work. It's about the monetisation. If you pick anything else you're claiming the right to monetise the video, which you can't do if you don't own the content. On rare occasions the music may belong to someone who specifically denies youtube a lisece, then it will be removed regardless. I've never even noticed that option, but maybe I'll try uploading again and choosing it. I never had any intent or expectation of earning money from any video I've ever uploaded.
surfpup Posted January 17, 2016 Posted January 17, 2016 I've never even noticed that option, but maybe I'll try uploading again and choosing it. I never had any intent or expectation of earning money from any video I've ever uploaded. Yeah I figured that out when posting some cover tunes so bar owners could book my band. Standard license and label it "cover".
JayinLA Posted January 18, 2016 Posted January 18, 2016 Youtube bugs the hell out of me. They got rid of Jeff Beck live at Ronnie Scott's which was one of my favorite gigs out. But I did find a great Ventures upload. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLIMNDuYX8Y
'Scales Posted January 18, 2016 Posted January 18, 2016 hmm, much stuff of an old covers band of mine on YT with no mention of covers in the titles and no notices issued. Then again, I reckon we were playing so bad that the digital 'fingerprinting' technology was fooled.
Pesh Posted January 18, 2016 Posted January 18, 2016 As a slight tangent, I've started to find the ridiculous governance behind YouTube increasingly annoying. Videos become restricted by country, without any apparent change in copyright laws, and then become suddenly unavailable when viewing from a cellphone or tablet device. I completely appreciate copyrighting and all that, but sometimes it doesn't seem like it's been written in conjunction with common sense. Not sure what they're playing at, but needs to be sorted out. For a free video-sharing site; I'm starting to feel that sharing seems increasingly restricted. Rant over
Guest Farnsbarns Posted January 18, 2016 Posted January 18, 2016 As a slight tangent, I've started to find the ridiculous governance behind YouTube increasingly annoying. Videos become restricted by country, without any apparent change in copyright laws, and then become suddenly unavailable when viewing from a cellphone or tablet device. I completely appreciate copyrighting and all that, but sometimes it doesn't seem like it's been written in conjunction with common sense. Not sure what they're playing at, but needs to be sorted out. For a free video-sharing site; I'm starting to feel that sharing seems increasingly restricted. Rant over I never cease to be amazed that musicians have this approach to IP. Being that they are among the people I would think would have a more "on the IP owners side" approach. The reasons for such restrictions is that they are imposed by the IP owners, not youtube.
Guest Farnsbarns Posted January 18, 2016 Posted January 18, 2016 As a slight tangent, I've started to find the ridiculous governance behind YouTube increasingly annoying. Videos become restricted by country, without any apparent change in copyright laws, and then become suddenly unavailable when viewing from a cellphone or tablet device. I completely appreciate copyrighting and all that, but sometimes it doesn't seem like it's been written in conjunction with common sense. Not sure what they're playing at, but needs to be sorted out. For a free video-sharing site; I'm starting to feel that sharing seems increasingly restricted. Rant over I never cease to be amazed that musicians have this approach to IP. Being that they are among the people I would think would have a more "on the IP owners side" approach. The reasons for such restrictions is that they are imposed by the IP owners, not youtube.
rct Posted January 18, 2016 Posted January 18, 2016 Every musician I have ever seen in these kinds of forums since Al Gore invented them wants free, unrestricted, unfettered access to Stairway To Heaven and the rest of the ZZTop catalog, but wants everyone to pay for their own material and resents the ten minutes of paperwork and the crummy forty five bucks to copyright an album wortha songs. Weird I tell ya. rct
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